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[Doug]

On 01/29/2011 01:48 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Doug<dmcgarrett at optonline.net>  wrote:
>> On 01/28/2011 08:04 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Doug<dmcgarrett at optonline.net>    wrote:
>>>> /snip/
>>>>
>>>>     Gmail is good and free and doesn't crud up your email with "features".
>>>>     Select text mode in your Gmail setup. It just works.
>>>>
>>>>> My boss is tied in with this and I ~loathe~ it.<spits>      You'll never
>>>>> make
>>>>> it off the ground with that between you and collaborators. They'll go
>>>>> crazy in short order and disappear. Ali, since you're not on the
>>>>> receiving end of your email, you don't know.
>>>> /snip/
>>>>
>>>> Several folks have complained on this and other lists, that they don't
>>>> know
>>>> if their mail is being received on the list, _because Gmail deletes those
>>>> messages_ from the "received" mail.
>>> *Sigh*
>>>
>>> No, it doesn't. Please do not spread FUD when you clearly don't know
>>> the exact details of what you're complaining about.
>>>
>>> Gmail does not show you messages *from yourself* /until/ someone
>>> replies to them. That's all. It does not delete anything and your
>>> outgoing messages are still right there in your Sent folder.
>>>
>>> No, I don't like the behaviour, but it doesn't delete anything.
>>>
>> You didn't read what I wrote:
> Yes, I did read it. I understood it. I am telling you that you are wrong.
>
>> I said that Gmail deletes messages from
>>   _received,_ i.e., incoming mail.
> I know what you said. Gmail DOES NOT DELETE ANY OF YOUR MESSAGES.
>
> Clear? It *does not delete your email.*
>
> It does not /show/ it in a message list BUT IT IS STILL THERE and you
> can see it in your Sent folder.
>
> If it then puts them back if they are
>
Here is a message from the Debian list, quoted in toto:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 22:40:15 +0000, elbbit wrote:


> >  On 26/01/11 22:01, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>>> >>>  I believe it's a Gmail feature the inbound copy of the message is
>>> >>>  discarded because it already has a copy in the sent folder.
>> >>  
>> >>  Yes, I've been working around that "feature" by receiving all list mail
>> >>  to a different account.
>> >>  
> >  Many thanks to all who replied.  I appreciate you taking the time.
> >  
> >  It is moderately annoying as I use my Gmail account with POP3, set to
> >  download and remove all messages from the server.  I am also using the
> >  Gmail SMTP server, and it appears that mail sent goes to the webmail's
> >  Sent folder - and there is no option in the Gmail interface to disable
> >  Google saving a copy when I deliver mail via SMTP.
Yes, and it is one of those documented "features" of Gmail:

***
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=82454#Bounce

Finally, if you're sending mail to a mailing list that you subscribe to,
those messages will only appear in 'Sent Mail.' This behavior also occurs
when sending to an email address that automatically forwards mail back to
your Gmail address. To test forwarding addresses or mailing lists, use a
different email address to send your message.
***

Another bypass to jump this "feature" and still keep using your Gmail
address in the reply-to field could be using a different "smtp" gateway
service for sending e-mails instead using Gmail's one. Some e-mail
servers will allow to relay the e-mail if you provide the right
credentials for authentication.

Greetings,

-- Camaleón Now here is a completely independent corroboration of what I 
have said. It really doesn't matter what shows in a "sent mail" 
directory. That doesn't mean the mail got delivered to the mailing list, 
it just means that it was picked up by the server. After that it could 
have been sent to /dev/nul and no-one would be the wiser. --doug



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