Vista kills Ubuntu wireless

[Young]

Young wrote:
> Young wrote:
>> NoOp wrote:
>>> On 09/02/2009 05:49 PM, Young wrote:
>>> ...
>>>   
>>>> I'm downloading the 64 bit version now, so I think I'll try to get it 
>>>> installed before I continue working on this.
>>>> I was reading about wicd and it looks pretty good, I think I'll switch 
>>>> to it, even if this new install works.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>     
>>>
>>> You can install the 64-bit version if you wish, but I suspect that
>>> installing 64-bit will not resolve the basic wifi setup you need to do
>>> to get your wifi running.  You'll also likely also run into 64-bit
>>> issues as shown in the archives on this list (flash, etc).
>>>
>>> I'd recommend that you get the wifi & other bits working in 32-bit with
>>> the existing install first & then if you wish to reinstall w/64-bit do
>>> so. Afterall if you are going to trash the 32-bit install anyway, now is
>>> a very good time to experiment away.
>>>
>>>   
>> Too late, I already started.
>> As for the 64 bit issue, I've been using the 64 bit version of 8.04 
>> for over a year on a homebuilt desktop without any real issues. I 
>> guess it matters which programs you're partial to, and what you 
>> expect from them.
>>
>> I didn't really plan to use the 32 bit version anyway. It was just a 
>> matter of having a new toy :)
>>
>>
>> I'll let you know soon how it goes. The install is just finishing.
>>
>> Mark
> Installed all 219 updates, and rebooted.
>
> The Network Manager Applet sees the wireless router and I get to log 
> in with the password, and then it just doesn't work.
>
> I think that's enough for today. Tomorrow I'll try wicd.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
Gary,

Below is the "blow by blow" account of installing Wicd.

The short story is that it sees the wireless router, it authenticates, 
but it can't get an IP address. Same story when trying to connect to a 
neighbors unsecured router. Wicd connects to the wired link okay.

Summary:
The same laptop connects wirelessly with Vista, but not Ubuntu.
Ubuntu fails to connect to two different routers, with the same symptoms 
each time.
Network Manager and Wicd both seem to have the same problem.
The Ubuntu Live CD was able to connect wirelessly before Vista was 
activated.


FWIW, I do like Wicd better.


Mark



------------Gary
Start here:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkManager0.7

If you'd prefer to give wicd a try (it will uninstall NM, but given that
you have a wired connection as well you'll be OK):

1. Download  wicd_1.6.2-2_all.deb from here:
http://apt.wicd.net/pool/extras/w/wicd/ (note: don't use
wicd_1.6.2.2-1_all.deb - it currently has issue discovering networks).

2. Install wpasupplicant:

$ sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant

(this is necessary as you are using WPA2 - good choice BTW)

------------Mark
I guess I already have this installed.
mtyoung at DellStudio1737:~$ sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant
[sudo] password for mtyoung:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree      
Reading state information... Done
wpasupplicant is already the newest version.
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer 
required:
  linux-headers-2.6.28-11-generic linux-headers-2.6.28-11
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 20 not upgraded.
mtyoung at DellStudio1737:~$

------------Gary
3. Open Nautilus (Places) and go to where you downloaded
wicd_1.6.2-2_all.deb, double-click the file and install. Reboot.

------------Mark
I see what you mean. The Wicd download page will steer you to using 
Synaptic which is still showing the -1. That's after adding wicd to the 
3rd party repository.

(I later went back and disabled wicd from the 3rd party repository so it 
wouldn't update.)

Have you tried this version, Gary?
wicd_1.6.2.2-1_all.deb  01-Sep-2009 10:43  377K 

I downloaded
wicd_1.6.2-2_all.deb    06-Aug-2009 09:36  369K 

gdebi package installer won't install.
Error: Conflicts with the installed package 'network-manager'

So, I guess 'network-manager' has to be removed first? Will I be able to 
replace it if Wicd doesn't work?
I'll take the gamble.

Synaptic shows a network manager 0.701~rc4.1
but
About NetworkManager Applet shows 0.7.0.100
as does
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/NetworkManager/0.7/

So, are the 4 line items in Synaptic the correct ones to remove?
I guess it's time to gamble.

Removed the 4 line items.
gdebi package installer won't install.
Error message
"Could not download all required files."
Details;
Failed to fetch 
http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/u/urwid/python-urwid_0.9.8.4-1_amd64.deb 
Could not resolve 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'

I re-installed network manager using the alternate install cd as the source.

python-urwid_0.9.8.4-1 is shown in Synaptic, but I'm assuming that's not 
the right one.
So, I'm downloading it manually.

gdebi package installer tells me;
"Same version is available in a software channel"
"You are recommended to install the software from the channel instead."

So now I'm trying to figure out if there will really is a difference, 
after the fact, between downloading and installing, versus using 
Synaptic/apt-get, etc.
Does it mean it won't be updated when it should be? Do I gain or lose 
some control by doing it this way? And, are they really the same version?

Okay, I'll use synaptic.
Installed python-urwid
Uninstalled network manager again.
Installed Wicd, successfully this time.

------------Gary
4. Click on the wicd network manager icon. Select the 'Properties'
button for your network (SqwatTall). If you do not wish to use static
IP's, then only click on 'Use Encryption' and select 'WAP 1/2'
(Passphrase or Preshared key - whichever is appropriate), enter your
key (you can click on the 'key' box to see it in plain text if
necessary), click OK, click the 'Connect' button.

------------Mark
There's no icon, but Wicd is on the Applications/Internet menu.

Connecting, authenticating, Obtaining IP address fails after a minute or 
two.
Connected to Wired Network successfully.
There's an unsecured connection showing, and connecting to it fails the 
same way.

------------Gary
If that works for you, then I'll show you how to enable the wicd
repository so that you can get standard updates. If it does not, then
from the wired connection:

$ sudo apt-get install network-manager network-manager-gnome

and it will uninstall wicd & reinstall Network Manager. You may have to
reboot following the reinstall.

Gary



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