No good CD-Rom copy software (fwd)

[Oliver Grawert]

hi,
On Di, 2009-07-07 at 08:49 +1000, Res wrote: 
> So, Oli, what has Ubuntu got to say about this....., also please CC Jorg
> directly in Emails reference this issue (as he is not a member of this list).

no idea what "ubuntu has to say" about this and i'm really not
interested in discussing this beyond this last mail i will send to the
thread. 

note that i only speak on behalf of myself. 
on technical matters in ubuntu the technical board speaks for the
distro, on community matters of ubuntu the community council speaks, on
oliver grawerts matters who is a member of this mailing list, a member
of the ubuntu community and a member of the developers of ubuntu, only
oliver grawert speaks.

if you read my mails i wrote here before you will see that i didn't
express any opinion on the topic at all but pointed to former
discussions, facts and announcements. 

... but to state an opinion:

i trust the technical board of ubuntu, mark specifically could have
given the review to internal lawyers of canonical and be done with it.
instead the TB asked an independent third party lawfirm and actually
invested some time and work into the matter. it was discussed in at
least three technical board meetings i attended with great desire to
include it form all participants but due to uncertainy about the license
issues it was decided to hand it out to someone else and make a decision
based on the reply.

i don't know joerg but would surely spend him a beer for his great work
if we would meet. on the other hand while he is a great programmer, he
seems to be not much of a diplomat which is sad and harms the wide use
of his software in linux distros.

quoting from http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html : ...
Common Development and Distribution License (CDDL), version 1.0
This is a free software license. It has a copyleft with a scope that's
similar to the one in the Mozilla Public License, which makes it
incompatible with the GNU GPL. This means a module covered by the GPL
and a module covered by the CDDL cannot legally be linked together. We
urge you not to use the CDDL for this reason.


Also unfortunate in the CDDL is its use of the term “intellectual
property”.
...
i don't understand how joerg can state the fsf declares his software
legal while they exactly say it is not in the above statement (cdrecord
links GPL code against CDDL code) so he accuses the fsf to lie either to
him or to us ...

apparently eben moglen lies as well (or the technical board does) since
eben told him in private his software was safe to distribute for a third
party while he told the opposite to the techboard.

damned, this world is full of liars ...

i personally never had a problem writing CDs in ubuntu but personally
have interest that ubuntu has all software that is legally distributable
in the archive. i appreciate that nvidia users can use it because we
have the freely distributable (though sadly not freely changeable)
nvidia drivers in the restricted archive. i appreciate that people can
watch flash content in their browsers and that there is a legal way to
make i easy for them to install the nonfree flashplayer through an
installer package. i'm sure the majority of ubuntu developers feels like
that. if it would be any legally possible for ubuntu to have the
original cdrecord in the archive even if it would be in multiverse,
don't you think we would have it ? do you really think the
ubuntu-burning team would take the effort to provide a PPA with joergs
software if there wasn't an interest in making it available ?
( https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-burning/+archive/ppa )
i hope they will collect bugs and fixes for that PPA package and that
joerg accepts the code if those fixes are submitted upstream.

i wish i had never answered to this thread first place but there were so
many wrong statements that i felt i had to point to the former
conversations and recent announcements on the topic ...

so that's the personal opinion of mine, not speaking for ubuntu not
speaking for the technical board, just my personal point of view. if you
feel like you have to revive the technical board discussion or feel
something in their decision making process went wrong,
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda is the place for you, its a
wikipage and anyone can add agenda items (though if you add it, please
make sure to also attend the meeting in which it will be discussed and
state your opinion and reasons)

ciao
	oli

(who is not a debian but a ubuntu developer) 
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