[OT] Debian mailinglists [was: RE: Debian or Ubuntu?]

[Mario Vukelic]

On Tue, 2008-05-20 at 16:33 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Funny - it doesn't look at all like the book...

For some reason it's hosted on NS's website for the other book,
Cryptonomicon, and inherits its design.
 
> Unfortunately, it isn't in my library

Fortunately, it is online. It is really an amazing read. 
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/4.12/ffglass.html

> Sure it was. 

I remember distinctly that you wrote that in an ideal world, cli changes
would be impossible and everything would have to be validated through a
gui. (To which I replied that I want you to leave me out of your ideal
world)

> Except to the point that Bart said "Sometimes just popping in
> with a text editor is great for that", because I believe with the right
> tools you'd never need to. 

And I am sure that sometimes you do. It's always like that. In Formula
1, they spend a billion EUR a year to make cars go 'round in circles
fast, with the most extreme high-tech. But I'm sure sometimes they
nevertheless have to apply some duct tape.

>  Unfortunately, nobody is ever going to bother
> writing those "right tools" because it gets so much resistance from the
> l33t.

I believe people would fall over themselves to implement these tools, if
it were possible. Imagine the revolution once _everyone is able to
deploy websites absolutely securely and validated through a perfect GUI
along with a config checker -- the youtube revolution would be nothing
compared to it.