[OT] Debian mailinglists [was: RE: Debian or Ubuntu?]

[Derek Broughton]

Mario Vukelic wrote:

> On Tue, 2008-05-20 at 11:05 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote:
>> Hahahahaha!  I just saw an admin upgrade 3 servers last week, without
>> doing
>> anything more than a superficial check of any of them.  It was days later
>> that he actually figured out what he'd done wrong and fixed it...
> 
>> In the case of an SSH server, wouldn't it make more sense to use a config
>> tool that actually _did_ try to establish a new connection before
>> finalizing the changes?
> 
> Have you ever worked in a Windows-only shop with the usual assortment of
> MSCPs? Have you ever edited MS SQL Server with its idiotic GUI config?

Why is it that every argument against GUI tools is that Tool "X" is awful? 
I couldn't care less how SQLServer handles configuration - especially if
it's idiotic.  Could it be done better?  Surely, you'd agree that it can.
> 
> If you had, you would know that
>      A. No GUI tool can help when your admin is an idiot

I disagree.  Tools should be able to work at multiple levels for newbies and
experts.  Because SQLServer's tool can't help, doesn't mean that it can't
be done.  Please cite an example of a configuration problem that couldn't
be handled in a GUI.

>      B. GUI tools that try to help braindead MSCPs, make real admins cry
>         and change the job, leaving only the monkeys.

Configuration isn't difficult.  It's tedious, and repetitive and prone to
mechanical error.  It's the sort of thing that _should_ be left to monkeys.
-- 
derek