Evolution's crazy habit with moving an e-mail to a folder !?

Sun Mar 16 00:49:15 UTC 2008

Hi Mario, 
Thanks for your concerns and feedbacks ! 

On Sat, 2008-03-15 at 16:14 +0100, Mario Vukelic wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-03-15 at 22:35 +0800, SYNass IT Ubuntu / Linux wrote:
> > After reading e-mails in the INbox they go TRASH or get stored
> > systematically !
> 
> Do I understand correctly that after you read an email in the Inbox, you
> either delete it, or move it to some folder for storage?

YES, generally ALL mails come to INbox, where I do check and read
it ! ;-)

> > With deleting they go TRASH directly and aren't visible anymore except
> > in TRASH !!
> 
> Yeah. It seems to me that this is expected: when I delete an email, I
> _want it to end up in the Trash.

Sure !

> > With "deleted e-mails NOT hiding" they are still visible in the INbox
> > and disturb me !!!
> 
> Yeah, well, do enable the "Hide deleted messages" option, then. In an
> other reply you said it _is enabled, so how can the deleted and
> therefore invisible messages disturb you?

YEAH, as I already wrote: "Hide deleted messages" is ALWAYS on !! ;-))

> > To get them thrown out of the INbox one more step is necessary to EMPTY
> > the INbox !! ;-)
> 
> No. If you have "hide deleted messages" on, they are not visible after
> you delete them. And from the Evolution Help, "Deleting Mail":

2nd time: "Hide delete messages" is always on !! ;-))

> "Evolution allows you to delete unwanted messages. To delete a message,
> select it and press the Delete key, or click the delete tool in the
> toolbar, press Ctrl+D, or right-click the message, then click Delete.

Too trivial ! Sure !! So do I ;-D

> When you press Delete or click the Trash folder, your mail is not
> actually deleted, but is marked for deletion. Your e-mail is recoverable
> until you have expunged your mail. When you expunge a folder, you remove
> all the mail that you have marked for deletion.To show deleted messages,
> uncheck Hide Deleted Messages option from the View menu. You can view
> the messages striken off for later deletion. You can also find deleted
> messages in your Trash folder.

Exactly !
In these mess I do have to doublecheck in TRASH to find possible
errorously deleted mails !! ;-|
Just to avoid any errors I may have done !!! ;-)))

> To permanently erase all the deleted messages in a folder, click Folder
> > Expunge or press Ctrl+E.

Sure !

> Trash folders in GroupWise, local and IMAP accounts are actually virtual
> search folders that display all messages you have marked for later
> deletion. Hence, emptying Trash is nothing but expunging deleted mails
> from all your folders in the account.

Sure !

> However, this is not true for the Trash folder on Exchange servers,
> which behaves just the same as it does in Outlook. It is a normal folder
> with actual messages in it. For more information about search folders,
> see Using Search Folders."

Win stuff is absolutely not used here in general ! ;-)

> You also can make Evolution empty the Trash automatically, in the
> Preferences -> Mail Settings -> tab General.

Some automatism are helpful when everthing works properly and well ! ;-)
Myself I am still discovering, learning and optimizing my (Ubuntu)
skills and its usability !! -))
I knew but automatism isn't appreciated for this time.

> > Generally I like Evolution's concept but these few thing's are more
> > confusing me !! ;-D

;-| One thing disturbs me extremely !!!
;-| ! If copy / move an email, ie. yours to
ITC/SW/Linux/Ubuntu/Evolution ...
;-| ... I do not want to have it in TRASH too !!
;-| I really dislike this because it's more troublesome than helpful !

> As I said elsewhere, this behavior is common and exists to speed up mail
> deletion on remote mail folders. If you are sifting through a lot of
> mail, deleting as you go, you don't want to have the email client
> communicate with the server over the network for every email you delete,
> which is would be necessary if the email was "really" deleted. Instead,
> the client just marks them for later deletion (and hides them if you
> have the setting on as you should in most cases). Then you can "really"
> delete them in one go, using Expunge Folder or Empty Trash, when the
> additional slowdown does not bother you.

Well understood and not the topic here ! ;-)
it's a simple POP conection and the dealing with the messages to be
deleted or stored then !!

> Clear? To be honest, I don't know why I have to explain that all so
> laboriously to someone "with more than 35 years in IT" who is "no
> greenhorn nor newbie ". Lotus Notes, for example, behaves more or less
> the same way.

How ???
You made it so laboriously !!! ;-|

BTW: I am not a freaky fellow alwayst tuning and tweaking the stuff and 
do not forget: as Ubuntu Administrator / User I may be the eldest
greenhorn here ;-D

As for Lotus Notes I cannot prove you wrong because I am not on the most
accurate releases myself and what I use and used I can proof: 
YOU are really wrong !!! ;-(((

Lotus does NOT copy / move via TRASH !!! 
NONE of the more than a dozen mailers I already know does it !!

Sorry, to say so and I hope it doesn't sound too harsh as 
I cannot tell it more sophisticated because English isn't my native
language. ;-)

However, thanks for your very elaborate efforts and feedback.
Cheers, svobi

BTW, and somewhat my conclusion:
IT is sooo simple !
Everthing works with 0 / zeros or 1 /one !!
So, Evolution shall do 0/zero just TRASH the respective mail !!!
or, Evolution shall do 1/one thing: Just copy / move respective mail to
given folder / location !!!
;-D