Bryce Harrington bryce at
Sun May 16 07:09:34 BST 2010

Btw, there were several discussions at UDS along the lines of
post-release updates for apps, and in fact this is something Rick
Spencer is quite into.  See the discussion summaries for those tracks
for more info, but sounds like Maverick will see at least some tweaks to
help address this problem.

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 08:45:51PM -0700, Brian Derr wrote:
> Hi Nick and welcome to the list. As you might have noticed already this list
> is surprisingly quite inactive. Considering the wealth of open source talent
> we have in the Portland area I'm surprised this list isn't more active; this
> inactivity could be due to the fact that the PLUG list is quite active.
> While I agree with the assessment that only freezing core functionality of
> Ubuntu sounds great there are problems with that. For the average desktop
> user it would be beneficial a basically cause no issues. For large
> installations where there is usually much more demand for stability this
> could pose problems however.
> Users can always use a more unstable track if they want the latest software
> (though sometimes big bugs do crop up). One other issue that comes to mind
> is the possibility of newer non-core packages being compiled against newer
> core libraries which would cause dependency issues. The developers of apps
> founds in the universe/multiverse are generally not the same people that
> maintain the debian/ubuntu packages and they won't care about them for the
> most part.
> Brian Derr
> On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 8:28 AM, <nickwinlund at> wrote:
> > Hey everybody, I'm Nick in the Willamette Valley. I've been on Ubuntu linux
> > for a few years now. I have started using launchpad, dpkg-dev and geany the
> > I.D.E. to review and submit software code. My concerns with Opensource linux
> > today are: Apps, wireless card support outside of DKMS, and getting rid of
> > ACPI/apic/lapic completely -- what is that for in terms of application
> > support? All that is is a holdover from the original OEM days, I believe.
> > Try getting libbonobo up instead for GNOME.
> >
> > There's got to be a better way in terms of performance, reliability and
> > conformity for helping address that last concern which I made before. With
> > reference to the OSI model, there have been continuous efforts by you all to
> > plug in data as information to send out using the media layer then the next
> > layer; specifically from the Data Link -> the Network on up scaling back
> > down to Transport and Session layers. That "back down" part is where ACPI,
> > I.M.H.O. goes too far with physical demands.
> >
> > Here's an e-mail from somebody on ubuntu-devel-discuss. Not a bad idea, I
> > think. Comments?  -Nick
> >
> > ---
> > Subject: Ubuntu needs a new development model
> > To: ubuntu-devel-discuss at
> >
> > Ubuntu needs a change in direction. I propose that Ubuntu adopt a
> > development model where only the core operating system, userland, core
> > libraries, and desktop environment are frozen every 6 months. The
> > applications would then be freely updated to the newest versions at
> > all times. Package maintenance and support for the end-user
> > applications would be provided by the developers themselves. . .
> >
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