Brian Derr bderrly at
Sat May 15 04:45:51 BST 2010

Hi Nick and welcome to the list. As you might have noticed already this list
is surprisingly quite inactive. Considering the wealth of open source talent
we have in the Portland area I'm surprised this list isn't more active; this
inactivity could be due to the fact that the PLUG list is quite active.

While I agree with the assessment that only freezing core functionality of
Ubuntu sounds great there are problems with that. For the average desktop
user it would be beneficial a basically cause no issues. For large
installations where there is usually much more demand for stability this
could pose problems however.

Users can always use a more unstable track if they want the latest software
(though sometimes big bugs do crop up). One other issue that comes to mind
is the possibility of newer non-core packages being compiled against newer
core libraries which would cause dependency issues. The developers of apps
founds in the universe/multiverse are generally not the same people that
maintain the debian/ubuntu packages and they won't care about them for the
most part.

Brian Derr

On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 8:28 AM, <nickwinlund at> wrote:

> Hey everybody, I'm Nick in the Willamette Valley. I've been on Ubuntu linux
> for a few years now. I have started using launchpad, dpkg-dev and geany the
> I.D.E. to review and submit software code. My concerns with Opensource linux
> today are: Apps, wireless card support outside of DKMS, and getting rid of
> ACPI/apic/lapic completely -- what is that for in terms of application
> support? All that is is a holdover from the original OEM days, I believe.
> Try getting libbonobo up instead for GNOME.
> There's got to be a better way in terms of performance, reliability and
> conformity for helping address that last concern which I made before. With
> reference to the OSI model, there have been continuous efforts by you all to
> plug in data as information to send out using the media layer then the next
> layer; specifically from the Data Link -> the Network on up scaling back
> down to Transport and Session layers. That "back down" part is where ACPI,
> I.M.H.O. goes too far with physical demands.
> Here's an e-mail from somebody on ubuntu-devel-discuss. Not a bad idea, I
> think. Comments?  -Nick
> ---
> Subject: Ubuntu needs a new development model
> To: ubuntu-devel-discuss at
> Ubuntu needs a change in direction. I propose that Ubuntu adopt a
> development model where only the core operating system, userland, core
> libraries, and desktop environment are frozen every 6 months. The
> applications would then be freely updated to the newest versions at
> all times. Package maintenance and support for the end-user
> applications would be provided by the developers themselves. . .
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