[ubuntu-us-ma] Ubuntu-us-ma Digest, Vol 26, Issue 9

Fri Apr 3 19:34:33 BST 2009

Despite hype, not everyone is in an OS "camp." At home I have an XP Dell, an
ancient charcoal iMac from about 1999 running OSX Tiger, and an old Thinkpad
R50e running the antelope thing (most recent). I like all of them.

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>   1. Re:  Potential Meeting Locations (Samuel Murphy)
>   2. Re:  Potential Meeting Locations (Chris Butler)
>   3. Re:  Potential Meeting Locations (James Gray)
>   4. Re:  Potential Meeting Locations (Doc Kinne)
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> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 08:31:23 -0400
> From: Samuel Murphy <samuel.murphy at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-ma] Potential Meeting Locations
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> What do people think?
> >
> > Regards, MArtin
>
>
> I was at a community event there a few weeks ago, the MSfolk seemed
> totally cool about demos shown on Firefox or linux based. It is an
> amazing location, do look for the beanbag chairs in the shape of stream
> pebbles.
>
> My cynical spidy sense suspects that the Cambridge 'lab' comes from
> an MS exec reading something like 'The Art of War' and following the
> suggestion "keep your friends close... and your enemies closer"
>
> But heck, take advantage of it.
>
> -Sam
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> From: Chris Butler <chrisbutler72 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-ma] Potential Meeting Locations
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> I'm a bit torn on this...
>
> A lot of us are admins or developers who work in mixed OS environs. The
> idea
> of pulling people from both Linux and Windows sides to maybe help mesh them
> is a positive to me.
>
> The point of Ubuntu though has always seemed to me to create access to
> Linux
> for the everyday end user - and the idea of free software.
> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy
>
> Why shouldn't we bring this idea to Microsoft?
>
> On the other hand...
> The Free Software idea undermines the core corporate policies/drives of
> Microsoft (from my perspective at least).
> This could very easily be viewed as an attempt to undermine them and I
> would
> hesitate to go into a position that could cause any conflict.
>
> I wouldn't mind it, as long as it was clear to them who/what we are and do
> but I would probably be more comfortable finding another alternative.
>
> Just my .02$
>
> -Chris
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Samuel Murphy <samuel.murphy at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > What do people think?
> >>
> >> Regards, MArtin
> >
> >
> > I was at a community event there a few weeks ago, the MSfolk seemed
> > totally cool about demos shown on Firefox or linux based. It is an
> > amazing location, do look for the beanbag chairs in the shape of stream
> > pebbles.
> >
> > My cynical spidy sense suspects that the Cambridge 'lab' comes from
> > an MS exec reading something like 'The Art of War' and following the
> > suggestion "keep your friends close... and your enemies closer"
> >
> > But heck, take advantage of it.
> >
> > -Sam
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 10:00:24 -0400
> From: James Gray <jamespgray at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-ma] Potential Meeting Locations
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> Anyone know how to check a room for bugs/hidden microphones?  :-)
>
> Seriously, bug #1 is no secret.  I agree that we should be clear in
> regards to what we are about.  However, If a conflict develops then we
> are right back where we are now looking for a new meeting space.
>
>
> 2009/4/3 Chris Butler <chrisbutler72 at gmail.com>:
> > I'm a bit torn on this...
> >
> > A lot of us are admins or developers who work in mixed OS environs. The
> idea
> > of pulling people from both Linux and Windows sides to maybe help mesh
> them
> > is a positive to me.
> >
> > The point of Ubuntu though has always seemed to me to create access to
> Linux
> > for the everyday end user - and the idea of free software.
> > http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy
> >
> > Why shouldn't we bring this idea to Microsoft?
> >
> > On the other hand...
> > The Free Software idea undermines the core corporate policies/drives of
> > Microsoft (from my perspective at least).
> > This could very easily be viewed as an attempt to undermine them and I
> would
> > hesitate to go into a position that could cause any conflict.
> >
> > I wouldn't mind it, as long as it was clear to them who/what we are and
> do
> > but I would probably be more comfortable finding another alternative.
> >
> > Just my .02$
> >
> > -Chris
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Samuel Murphy <samuel.murphy at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> What do people think?
> >>>
> >>> Regards, MArtin
> >>
> >>
> >> I was at a community event there a few weeks ago, the MSfolk seemed
> >> totally cool about demos shown on Firefox or linux based. It is an
> >> amazing location, do look for the beanbag chairs in the shape of stream
> >> pebbles.
> >>
> >> My cynical spidy sense suspects that the Cambridge 'lab' comes from
> >> an MS exec reading something like 'The Art of War' and following the
> >> suggestion "keep your friends close... and your enemies closer"
> >>
> >> But heck, take advantage of it.
> >>
> >> -Sam
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 11:06:45 -0400
> From: Doc Kinne <kinnerc at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-ma] Potential Meeting Locations
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> Folks:
>
> Chris gives a lot of good thoughts here, and I have to admit I am in
> his camp.
>
> I'm one of those folks who love the idea and philosophy of Linux and
> Free Software, but realize that in this current climate, from a
> practical standpoint, there are times when the FOSS community just
> isn't quite there yet.  In my personal example, I run a shop with
> Linux servers and MacOS X workstations. It has been Apple's increasing
> corporate behavior over the last five years that has driven me further
> and further into the FOSS community, however, this is still being
> written from a MacBook because one of the most frustrating computing
> experiences of my entire life was getting wireless to work on a Laptop
> running Linux. While the FOSS community - and Ubuntu in particular -
> has made great gains in the last couple of years getting to "the last
> mile" of "normal" desktop access, they're still trying. So, I realize
> that while philosophy is great, and can and should be your guiding
> light, practicality sometimes wins the game.
>
> So, in the end, I think this is ultimately a dangerous idea for both
> parties.  From our side, Bug #1 puts us in direct philosophical combat
> with Microsoft, and from their part the Halloween Memo does the same
> with regard to us. While meeting there could work, I think it could
> just take a careless thought and action, not even meant badly, from
> either side to make things potentially uncomfortable.
>
> I personally love the BPL idea if we can make it work.
> ---
> Richard "Doc" Kinne ? Rikardo ?Dok?jo? KINNE, BA, MSc., AMAAS
> <kinnerc @ gmail.com>
> "I'm the Doctor, and you're in the biggest library in the universe.
> Look me up!"
> - The Doctor
> "Forests of the Dead," Doctor Who
>
> On 03 Apr , 2009, at 09:55, Chris Butler wrote:
>
> > I'm a bit torn on this...
> >
> > A lot of us are admins or developers who work in mixed OS environs.
> > The idea of pulling people from both Linux and Windows sides to
> > maybe help mesh them is a positive to me.
> >
> > The point of Ubuntu though has always seemed to me to create access
> > to Linux for the everyday end user - and the idea of free software.
> > http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy
> >
> > Why shouldn't we bring this idea to Microsoft?
> >
> > On the other hand...
> > The Free Software idea undermines the core corporate policies/drives
> > of Microsoft (from my perspective at least).
> > This could very easily be viewed as an attempt to undermine them and
> > I would hesitate to go into a position that could cause any conflict.
> >
> > I wouldn't mind it, as long as it was clear to them who/what we are
> > and do but I would probably be more comfortable finding another
> > alternative.
> >
> > Just my .02$
> >
> > -Chris
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Samuel Murphy
> > <samuel.murphy at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > What do people think?
> >
> > Regards, MArtin
> >
> > I was at a community event there a few weeks ago, the MSfolk seemed
> > totally cool about demos shown on Firefox or linux based. It is an
> > amazing location, do look for the beanbag chairs in the shape of
> > stream pebbles.
> >
> > My cynical spidy sense suspects that the Cambridge 'lab' comes from
> > an MS exec reading something like 'The Art of War' and following the
> > suggestion "keep your friends close... and your enemies closer"
> >
> > But heck, take advantage of it.
> >
> > -Sam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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