Despite hype, not everyone is in an OS "camp." At home I have an XP Dell, an ancient charcoal iMac from about 1999 running OSX Tiger, and an old Thinkpad R50e running the antelope thing (most recent). I like all of them. <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 11:07 AM, <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-ma-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-ma-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Send Ubuntu-us-ma mailing list submissions to <a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-ma@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-ma@lists.ubuntu.com</a> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ma" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ma</a> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-ma-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-ma-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a> You can reach the person managing the list at <a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-ma-owner@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-ma-owner@lists.ubuntu.com</a> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-us-ma digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Potential Meeting Locations (Samuel Murphy) 2. Re: Potential Meeting Locations (Chris Butler) 3. Re: Potential Meeting Locations (James Gray) 4. Re: Potential Meeting Locations (Doc Kinne) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 08:31:23 -0400 From: Samuel Murphy <<a href="mailto:samuel.murphy@gmail.com">samuel.murphy@gmail.com</a>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-ma] Potential Meeting Locations To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-ma@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-ma@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:5b48ecd90904030531x648b1069t82d2f935ef0239f5@mail.gmail.com">5b48ecd90904030531x648b1069t82d2f935ef0239f5@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What do people think? > > Regards, MArtin I was at a community event there a few weeks ago, the MSfolk seemed totally cool about demos shown on Firefox or linux based. It is an amazing location, do look for the beanbag chairs in the shape of stream pebbles. My cynical spidy sense suspects that the Cambridge 'lab' comes from an MS exec reading something like 'The Art of War' and following the suggestion "keep your friends close... and your enemies closer" But heck, take advantage of it. -Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The point of Ubuntu though has always seemed to me to create access to Linux for the everyday end user - and the idea of free software. <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy" target="_blank">http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy</a> Why shouldn't we bring this idea to Microsoft? On the other hand... The Free Software idea undermines the core corporate policies/drives of Microsoft (from my perspective at least). This could very easily be viewed as an attempt to undermine them and I would hesitate to go into a position that could cause any conflict. I wouldn't mind it, as long as it was clear to them who/what we are and do but I would probably be more comfortable finding another alternative. Just my .02$ -Chris On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Samuel Murphy <<a href="mailto:samuel.murphy@gmail.com">samuel.murphy@gmail.com</a>>wrote: > > > What do people think? >> >> Regards, MArtin > > > I was at a community event there a few weeks ago, the MSfolk seemed > totally cool about demos shown on Firefox or linux based. It is an > amazing location, do look for the beanbag chairs in the shape of stream > pebbles. > > My cynical spidy sense suspects that the Cambridge 'lab' comes from > an MS exec reading something like 'The Art of War' and following the > suggestion "keep your friends close... and your enemies closer" > > But heck, take advantage of it. > > -Sam > > > > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-us-ma mailing list > <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-us-ma@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-us-ma@lists.ubuntu.com</a> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ma" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ma</a> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, If a conflict develops then we are right back where we are now looking for a new meeting space. 2009/4/3 Chris Butler <<a href="mailto:chrisbutler72@gmail.com">chrisbutler72@gmail.com</a>>: > I'm a bit torn on this... > > A lot of us are admins or developers who work in mixed OS environs. The idea > of pulling people from both Linux and Windows sides to maybe help mesh them > is a positive to me. > > The point of Ubuntu though has always seemed to me to create access to Linux > for the everyday end user - and the idea of free software. > <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy" target="_blank">http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy</a> > > Why shouldn't we bring this idea to Microsoft? > > On the other hand... > The Free Software idea undermines the core corporate policies/drives of > Microsoft (from my perspective at least). > This could very easily be viewed as an attempt to undermine them and I would > hesitate to go into a position that could cause any conflict. > > I wouldn't mind it, as long as it was clear to them who/what we are and do > but I would probably be more comfortable finding another alternative. > > Just my .02$ > > -Chris > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Samuel Murphy <<a href="mailto:samuel.murphy@gmail.com">samuel.murphy@gmail.com</a>> > wrote: >> >> >> >>> What do people think? >>> >>> Regards, MArtin >> >> >> I was at a community event there a few weeks ago, the MSfolk seemed >> totally cool about demos shown on Firefox or linux based. It is an >> amazing location, do look for the beanbag chairs in the shape of stream >> pebbles. >> >> My cynical spidy sense suspects that the Cambridge 'lab' comes from >> an MS exec reading something like 'The Art of War' and following the >> suggestion "keep your friends close... and your enemies closer" >> >> But heck, take advantage of it. >> >> -Sam >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-us-ma mailing list >> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-us-ma@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-us-ma@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ma" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ma</a> >> > > > -- > Ubuntu-us-ma mailing list > <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-us-ma@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-us-ma@lists.ubuntu.com</a> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ma" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ma</a> > > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 11:06:45 -0400 From: Doc Kinne <<a href="mailto:kinnerc@gmail.com">kinnerc@gmail.com</a>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-ma] Potential Meeting Locations To: Ubuntu Massachusetts Local Community Team <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-ma@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-ma@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:41F3D824-8D3C-494F-8754-48D8DC173EE7@gmail.com">41F3D824-8D3C-494F-8754-48D8DC173EE7@gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Folks: Chris gives a lot of good thoughts here, and I have to admit I am in his camp. I'm one of those folks who love the idea and philosophy of Linux and Free Software, but realize that in this current climate, from a practical standpoint, there are times when the FOSS community just isn't quite there yet. In my personal example, I run a shop with Linux servers and MacOS X workstations. It has been Apple's increasing corporate behavior over the last five years that has driven me further and further into the FOSS community, however, this is still being written from a MacBook because one of the most frustrating computing experiences of my entire life was getting wireless to work on a Laptop running Linux. While the FOSS community - and Ubuntu in particular - has made great gains in the last couple of years getting to "the last mile" of "normal" desktop access, they're still trying. So, I realize that while philosophy is great, and can and should be your guiding light, practicality sometimes wins the game. So, in the end, I think this is ultimately a dangerous idea for both parties. From our side, Bug #1 puts us in direct philosophical combat with Microsoft, and from their part the Halloween Memo does the same with regard to us. While meeting there could work, I think it could just take a careless thought and action, not even meant badly, from either side to make things potentially uncomfortable. I personally love the BPL idea if we can make it work. --- Richard "Doc" Kinne ? Rikardo ?Dok?jo? KINNE, BA, MSc., AMAAS <kinnerc @ <a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> "I'm the Doctor, and you're in the biggest library in the universe. Look me up!" - The Doctor "Forests of the Dead," Doctor Who On 03 Apr , 2009, at 09:55, Chris Butler wrote: > I'm a bit torn on this... > > A lot of us are admins or developers who work in mixed OS environs. > The idea of pulling people from both Linux and Windows sides to > maybe help mesh them is a positive to me. > > The point of Ubuntu though has always seemed to me to create access > to Linux for the everyday end user - and the idea of free software. > <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy" target="_blank">http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy</a> > > Why shouldn't we bring this idea to Microsoft? > > On the other hand... > The Free Software idea undermines the core corporate policies/drives > of Microsoft (from my perspective at least). > This could very easily be viewed as an attempt to undermine them and > I would hesitate to go into a position that could cause any conflict. > > I wouldn't mind it, as long as it was clear to them who/what we are > and do but I would probably be more comfortable finding another > alternative. > > Just my .02$ > > -Chris > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Samuel Murphy > <<a href="mailto:samuel.murphy@gmail.com">samuel.murphy@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > > > What do people think? > > Regards, MArtin > > I was at a community event there a few weeks ago, the MSfolk seemed > totally cool about demos shown on Firefox or linux based. 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