[ubuntu-us-ma] Ubuntu-us-ma Digest, Vol 26, Issue 9

jimi o'beirne jimobeirne at gmail.com
Fri Apr 3 19:45:41 BST 2009


Macbook Pro dual booting between OSX, (Fusion to XP and Windows 7) and
Ubuntu 8.10
Dell XPS Ubuntu 8.10 with VMware Workstation: Winxp, OpenSolaris
iMac with OSX and VMware Fusion to XP
Dell Dimension running Ubuntu 8.10- will be upgrading for testing of
9.04
Dell PowerEdge running VNMware ESX 3.5 server connected to a 3 node
iSCSI Lefthand Networks SAN. ESX hosting 2x Windows 2003 servers and 1x
Ubuntu server.


Jim OB


On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 14:34 -0400, Peter Costanza wrote:

> Despite hype, not everyone is in an OS "camp." At home I have an XP
> Dell, an ancient charcoal iMac from about 1999 running OSX Tiger, and
> an old Thinkpad
> R50e running the antelope thing (most recent). I like all of them. 
> 
> 
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>           1. Re:  Potential Meeting Locations (Samuel Murphy)
>           2. Re:  Potential Meeting Locations (Chris Butler)
>           3. Re:  Potential Meeting Locations (James Gray)
>           4. Re:  Potential Meeting Locations (Doc Kinne)
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>         Message: 1
>         Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 08:31:23 -0400
>         From: Samuel Murphy <samuel.murphy at gmail.com>
>         Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-ma] Potential Meeting Locations
>         To: ubuntu-us-ma at lists.ubuntu.com
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>         What do people think?
>         >
>         > Regards, MArtin
>         
>         
>         I was at a community event there a few weeks ago, the MSfolk
>         seemed
>         totally cool about demos shown on Firefox or linux based. It
>         is an
>         amazing location, do look for the beanbag chairs in the shape
>         of stream
>         pebbles.
>         
>         My cynical spidy sense suspects that the Cambridge 'lab' comes
>         from
>         an MS exec reading something like 'The Art of War' and
>         following the
>         suggestion "keep your friends close... and your enemies
>         closer"
>         
>         But heck, take advantage of it.
>         
>         -Sam
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>         Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 09:55:51 -0400
>         From: Chris Butler <chrisbutler72 at gmail.com>
>         Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-ma] Potential Meeting Locations
>         To: Ubuntu Massachusetts Local Community Team
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>         I'm a bit torn on this...
>         
>         A lot of us are admins or developers who work in mixed OS
>         environs. The idea
>         of pulling people from both Linux and Windows sides to maybe
>         help mesh them
>         is a positive to me.
>         
>         The point of Ubuntu though has always seemed to me to create
>         access to Linux
>         for the everyday end user - and the idea of free software.
>         http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy
>         
>         Why shouldn't we bring this idea to Microsoft?
>         
>         On the other hand...
>         The Free Software idea undermines the core corporate
>         policies/drives of
>         Microsoft (from my perspective at least).
>         This could very easily be viewed as an attempt to undermine
>         them and I would
>         hesitate to go into a position that could cause any conflict.
>         
>         I wouldn't mind it, as long as it was clear to them who/what
>         we are and do
>         but I would probably be more comfortable finding another
>         alternative.
>         
>         Just my .02$
>         
>         -Chris
>         
>         On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Samuel Murphy
>         <samuel.murphy at gmail.com>wrote:
>         
>         >
>         >
>         > What do people think?
>         >>
>         >> Regards, MArtin
>         >
>         >
>         > I was at a community event there a few weeks ago, the MSfolk
>         seemed
>         > totally cool about demos shown on Firefox or linux based. It
>         is an
>         > amazing location, do look for the beanbag chairs in the
>         shape of stream
>         > pebbles.
>         >
>         > My cynical spidy sense suspects that the Cambridge 'lab'
>         comes from
>         > an MS exec reading something like 'The Art of War' and
>         following the
>         > suggestion "keep your friends close... and your enemies
>         closer"
>         >
>         > But heck, take advantage of it.
>         >
>         > -Sam
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
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>         Message: 3
>         Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 10:00:24 -0400
>         From: James Gray <jamespgray at gmail.com>
>         Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-ma] Potential Meeting Locations
>         To: Ubuntu Massachusetts Local Community Team
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>         
>         Anyone know how to check a room for bugs/hidden microphones?
>          :-)
>         
>         Seriously, bug #1 is no secret.  I agree that we should be
>         clear in
>         regards to what we are about.  However, If a conflict develops
>         then we
>         are right back where we are now looking for a new meeting
>         space.
>         
>         
>         2009/4/3 Chris Butler <chrisbutler72 at gmail.com>:
>         > I'm a bit torn on this...
>         >
>         > A lot of us are admins or developers who work in mixed OS
>         environs. The idea
>         > of pulling people from both Linux and Windows sides to maybe
>         help mesh them
>         > is a positive to me.
>         >
>         > The point of Ubuntu though has always seemed to me to create
>         access to Linux
>         > for the everyday end user - and the idea of free software.
>         > http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy
>         >
>         > Why shouldn't we bring this idea to Microsoft?
>         >
>         > On the other hand...
>         > The Free Software idea undermines the core corporate
>         policies/drives of
>         > Microsoft (from my perspective at least).
>         > This could very easily be viewed as an attempt to undermine
>         them and I would
>         > hesitate to go into a position that could cause any
>         conflict.
>         >
>         > I wouldn't mind it, as long as it was clear to them who/what
>         we are and do
>         > but I would probably be more comfortable finding another
>         alternative.
>         >
>         > Just my .02$
>         >
>         > -Chris
>         >
>         > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Samuel Murphy
>         <samuel.murphy at gmail.com>
>         > wrote:
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>> What do people think?
>         >>>
>         >>> Regards, MArtin
>         >>
>         >>
>         >> I was at a community event there a few weeks ago, the
>         MSfolk seemed
>         >> totally cool about demos shown on Firefox or linux based.
>         It is an
>         >> amazing location, do look for the beanbag chairs in the
>         shape of stream
>         >> pebbles.
>         >>
>         >> My cynical spidy sense suspects that the Cambridge 'lab'
>         comes from
>         >> an MS exec reading something like 'The Art of War' and
>         following the
>         >> suggestion "keep your friends close... and your enemies
>         closer"
>         >>
>         >> But heck, take advantage of it.
>         >>
>         >> -Sam
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>
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>         Message: 4
>         Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 11:06:45 -0400
>         From: Doc Kinne <kinnerc at gmail.com>
>         Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-ma] Potential Meeting Locations
>         To: Ubuntu Massachusetts Local Community Team
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>         Folks:
>         
>         Chris gives a lot of good thoughts here, and I have to admit I
>         am in
>         his camp.
>         
>         I'm one of those folks who love the idea and philosophy of
>         Linux and
>         Free Software, but realize that in this current climate, from
>         a
>         practical standpoint, there are times when the FOSS community
>         just
>         isn't quite there yet.  In my personal example, I run a shop
>         with
>         Linux servers and MacOS X workstations. It has been Apple's
>         increasing
>         corporate behavior over the last five years that has driven me
>         further
>         and further into the FOSS community, however, this is still
>         being
>         written from a MacBook because one of the most frustrating
>         computing
>         experiences of my entire life was getting wireless to work on
>         a Laptop
>         running Linux. While the FOSS community - and Ubuntu in
>         particular -
>         has made great gains in the last couple of years getting to
>         "the last
>         mile" of "normal" desktop access, they're still trying. So, I
>         realize
>         that while philosophy is great, and can and should be your
>         guiding
>         light, practicality sometimes wins the game.
>         
>         So, in the end, I think this is ultimately a dangerous idea
>         for both
>         parties.  From our side, Bug #1 puts us in direct
>         philosophical combat
>         with Microsoft, and from their part the Halloween Memo does
>         the same
>         with regard to us. While meeting there could work, I think it
>         could
>         just take a careless thought and action, not even meant badly,
>         from
>         either side to make things potentially uncomfortable.
>         
>         I personally love the BPL idea if we can make it work.
>         ---
>         Richard "Doc" Kinne ? Rikardo ?Dok?jo? KINNE, BA, MSc., AMAAS
>         <kinnerc @ gmail.com>
>         "I'm the Doctor, and you're in the biggest library in the
>         universe.
>         Look me up!"
>         - The Doctor
>         "Forests of the Dead," Doctor Who
>         
>         On 03 Apr , 2009, at 09:55, Chris Butler wrote:
>         
>         > I'm a bit torn on this...
>         >
>         > A lot of us are admins or developers who work in mixed OS
>         environs.
>         > The idea of pulling people from both Linux and Windows sides
>         to
>         > maybe help mesh them is a positive to me.
>         >
>         > The point of Ubuntu though has always seemed to me to create
>         access
>         > to Linux for the everyday end user - and the idea of free
>         software.
>         > http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy
>         >
>         > Why shouldn't we bring this idea to Microsoft?
>         >
>         > On the other hand...
>         > The Free Software idea undermines the core corporate
>         policies/drives
>         > of Microsoft (from my perspective at least).
>         > This could very easily be viewed as an attempt to undermine
>         them and
>         > I would hesitate to go into a position that could cause any
>         conflict.
>         >
>         > I wouldn't mind it, as long as it was clear to them who/what
>         we are
>         > and do but I would probably be more comfortable finding
>         another
>         > alternative.
>         >
>         > Just my .02$
>         >
>         > -Chris
>         >
>         > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Samuel Murphy
>         > <samuel.murphy at gmail.com> wrote:
>         >
>         >
>         > What do people think?
>         >
>         > Regards, MArtin
>         >
>         > I was at a community event there a few weeks ago, the MSfolk
>         seemed
>         > totally cool about demos shown on Firefox or linux based. It
>         is an
>         > amazing location, do look for the beanbag chairs in the
>         shape of
>         > stream pebbles.
>         >
>         > My cynical spidy sense suspects that the Cambridge 'lab'
>         comes from
>         > an MS exec reading something like 'The Art of War' and
>         following the
>         > suggestion "keep your friends close... and your enemies
>         closer"
>         >
>         > But heck, take advantage of it.
>         >
>         > -Sam
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
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