Opinion question ...

Ralph deGennaro rmdegennaro-sort at ibexits.com
Fri Dec 19 02:58:49 GMT 2008

I agree with Martin, "it depends".

I personally don't hold different expectations or standards towards
different organizations or projects or styles until I know them.  And then
those "groupings" surprise me sometimes.

The quality of something depends on many things; off the top of my head:
mechanics (efficiency and appropriateness), work ethic and taste.  Sometimes
people assume quantity, but I've been to many "whole in the walls" that are
much better then the big fancy restaurants.  I.e. quantity needs context.

And I haven't read the post or comments, but can imagine it getting to be a
pissing match where people justify their choices.  I noticed in high school
and college that every group has cool people and jerks.  That is true of
most groups that aren't nucleic in nature; which includes FOSS.  Jerky
behavior exists every where.

But also like in high school and college, I noticed some groups have
different ratios (of jerks to non-jerks), styles and focus.  And I believe
that FOSS in general is a good community to teach the jerks to be non-jerks.
 Because no one can take their ball and go home, people tend to either run
towards working together or at worst drift.  Unless the idea is killed, its
almost inevitable.

Uh, that's starting to go off topic.  So, to summate, I wouldn't expect more
from FOSS.  It depends on too much about the project, its life and lives of
the participants. Though I do tend to work with FOSS whenever I can because
I think it has higher probability that the pieces involved get better with
age and lives longer.  I.e.  the probability is higher, but why make

Okay, now its time to stop work, reading emails, etc and get present
wrapping done before I fall asleep....

Best and Holiday Wishes,

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Martin Owens <doctormo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Like a lot of questions, It depends.
> Sometimes we inside the community are not critical of the kinds of
> mechanics that are in place to develop something we'd like to see. On
> the other hand it's not very productive to complain about the work it's
> self since you might as well complain at a tree for not producing good
> enough apples.
> As for Microsoft, they have bound themselves into a long term project
> plan to produce something of quality. It's something they can be
> measured by and which it's very easy to be critical of. It's also easy
> to hold them to a lower quality mark because of their history and the
> amount of criticism their business morality gets.
> I don't know what WPClipart is, but openclipart.org has a whole load of
> public domain clipart built specifically to add into openoffice,
> inkscape, scribus etc.
> Regards, Martin
> On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 10:02 -0500, Joe Palladino (aka The Mindfulgeek)
> wrote:
> > I was reading some of my back RSS feeds and I came across an article
> > on Lifehacker about using WPClipart vs MS's free clipart gallery.  As
> > expected there was quite a commotion on both sides about which was
> > better and why.  I walked away with an uneasy question of "Do we as a
> > community hold the two camps, ours and MS, to different standards and
> > expectations?"  It was an uneasy question because personally I wasn't
> > sure.
> >
> >       * Do you expect more from MS because it is a commercial product?
> >       * Are you more lenient with FOSS?
> >       * How would you present your case?
> >
> > I am not a MS fan, but as a community shouldn't we be above some of
> > this gruff?
> >
> > --Joe
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