a simple request

Trey Brown palintheus at gmail.com
Fri Apr 4 06:02:18 BST 2008 

Since I maintain the channel bot I figured I would give my opinion. I really
don't like the idea of disrupting all the discussion that takes place in the
channel with that type of message, it would be very spammy, and I think the
majority of the people that are in the channel on a regular basis would
agree. It would also be just another place we would have to duplicate
information that is readily available elsewhere.

On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Wesley Harp <wesleyharp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sure, those are the people asking the questions.  But my whole point is
> that it takes very little effort for someone to FIND the information ON
> THEIR OWN.  We should not have to spoon feed this to people.  And I don't
> mind answering questions.  None of us do.  But if a person is not willing to
> take 5 minutes and look for an answer on their own then I do mind answering
> questions at that point.
>
> However, I disagree about repeating a message in channel.  Repeating a
> message in channel is just spam and it will be ignored as much as the topic,
> except it will be more annoying.
>
> Your reasons for IRC participation are all valid, but that still doesn't
> mean people should make IRC their first stop for information when there are
> so many other resources that already have that information available.  IRC
> is a great place for discussion and being part of a community, but those
> things are separate from simple factual knowledge that is contained
> elsewhere.
>
> Whether or not we have a FAQ is something you should know, and if not,
> then it's something you should be able to find out.
>
> The agenda is set before the meeting starts.  If you'd like to add it to
> the agenda then feel free to do just that.
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 7:50 PM, Greg McCrory <greg at coolbrew.com> wrote:
>
> > Wesley Harp wrote:
> >
> > > There really is no function to do that and even if there were, how is
> > > that much different than having a channel topic which is already mostly
> > > ignored?
> > >
> > > Besides, that would only provide information to those people who
> > > actually use IRC.
> > >
> > But aren't those the people asking the questions?  I'm sure the channel
> > bot has a function to repeat messages on given intervals.  It's a common IRC
> > function.
> >
> > The channel topic is usually only read on first entry to a channel, and
> > yes it's largely ignored.  But if it's repeated every 5 minutes or so, it
> > will be seen.  Every 20 minutes maybe repeat a link to the wiki or
> > something.
> >
> > why do people come to IRC?  They come to ask questions, find answers,
> > engage in discourse, and get some sort of feeling that they are part of a
> > community.  The FAQ should be scrolled by every so often (at least a link to
> > the FAQ) we have a FAQ don't we? :-)
> >
> > I'll see you tonight, and maybe we can add this issue to the agenda.
> >
> > GMc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Greg McCrory <greg at coolbrew.com<mailto:
> > > greg at coolbrew.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > >    I would even venture the argument that recent decisions, notices,
> > > and
> > >    other information should be continuously scrolled on the IRC
> > >    channel by
> > >    the channel bot.
> > >
> > >
> > >    Dustin Puryear wrote:
> > >    > Did you know the list is configured to reply to the OP instead
> > >    of back
> > >    > to the list? I just clicked Reply and it was addressed to
> > >    > wesj at wesleyharp.com <mailto:wesj at wesleyharp.com>. Odd. Just a
> > > FYI.
> > >
> > >    >
> > >    > Anyway, this is pretty much par for the course, so you just have
> > >    to get
> > >    > used to it. If someone asks something that is already
> > >    documented, just
> > >    > reply with the URL. Eventually that will help. Otherwise, that's
> > >    just
> > >    > the way the Internet is. :)
> > >    >
> > >    > --
> > >    > Dustin Puryear
> > >    > President and Sr. Consultant
> > >    > Puryear Information Technology, LLC
> > >    > 225-706-8414 x112
> > >    > http://www.puryear-it.com
> > >    >
> > >    > Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers"
> > >    >    http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
> > >    >
> > >    >
> > >    > Wesley Harp wrote:
> > >    >
> > >    >> I don't want to be writing this email, I wish there was no
> > >    need.  That
> > >    >> being said, it is not my intention to step on anyone's toes or
> > >    offend
> > >    >> anyone.  Additionally, I am not speaking for the group even if
> > >    I use
> > >    >> "we" or any other plural pronoun.
> > >    >>
> > >    >> Our resources are stretched pretty thinly.  For a team with 30+
> > >    members,
> > >    >> there is a very small minority doing most of the work.  I
> > >    understand
> > >    >> that's how thing are in life and I'm ok with it, or at least
> > >    more ok
> > >    >> with it than I used to be.  That being said, what I don't think
> > >    is ok is
> > >    >> for all the work we are doing to be ignored.  We try to keep
> > >    everyone
> > >    >> informed as much as possible.  We send out information to the
> > >    mailing
> > >    >> list, there are posts on the forums, meeting reminders are sent
> > >    out, and
> > >    >> there are details on things on the wiki.  All this takes a LOT
> > >    of work.
> > >    >> We miss some things, but by and large the information is all up
> > >    to date
> > >    >> and accurate.
> > >    >>
> > >    >> I feel like no matter how much information we're putting out
> > >    there, we
> > >    >> keep getting asked the same questions over and over.  Questions
> > >    whose
> > >    >> answers are easily found on one or more of our team resources
> > >    (wiki,
> > >    >> forum, Google calendar, etc.).  The answers are always
> > >    available if you
> > >    >> do a little looking.  I understand that everyone doesn't have
> > >    the same
> > >    >> amount of time to put forth, but for the people who show up
> > >    once every
> > >    >> month or so and want to know why they don't know about decision
> > >    X, or
> > >    >> feature Y I'm not sure what to say.  We can only do so much. If
> > >    people
> > >    >> aren't willing to keep themselves informed and up to date on
> > > what's
> > >    >> going on there's not much we can do about that.  At the same
> > >    time, we
> > >    >> aren't here to spoon feed information to everyone.
> > >    >>
> > >    >> All I'm asking is that people read the information we're
> > >    sending out and
> > >    >> make sure to check the site and other resources before you ask
> > > your
> > >    >> questions.  If you're going to commit to being a part of the
> > >    team, then
> > >    >> part of that commitment is keeping yourself informed.  It's up
> > >    to you.
> > >    >>
> > >    >>
> > >    >> Wes
> > >    >>
> > >    >>
> > >    >
> > >    >
> > >
> > >
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