a simple request

[Wesley Harp]

Sure, those are the people asking the questions.  But my whole point is that
it takes very little effort for someone to FIND the information ON THEIR
OWN.  We should not have to spoon feed this to people.  And I don't mind
answering questions.  None of us do.  But if a person is not willing to take
5 minutes and look for an answer on their own then I do mind answering
questions at that point.

However, I disagree about repeating a message in channel.  Repeating a
message in channel is just spam and it will be ignored as much as the topic,
except it will be more annoying.

Your reasons for IRC participation are all valid, but that still doesn't
mean people should make IRC their first stop for information when there are
so many other resources that already have that information available.  IRC
is a great place for discussion and being part of a community, but those
things are separate from simple factual knowledge that is contained
elsewhere.

Whether or not we have a FAQ is something you should know, and if not, then
it's something you should be able to find out.

The agenda is set before the meeting starts.  If you'd like to add it to the
agenda then feel free to do just that.

On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 7:50 PM, Greg McCrory <greg at coolbrew.com> wrote:

> Wesley Harp wrote:
>
> > There really is no function to do that and even if there were, how is
> > that much different than having a channel topic which is already mostly
> > ignored?
> >
> > Besides, that would only provide information to those people who
> > actually use IRC.
> >
> But aren't those the people asking the questions?  I'm sure the channel
> bot has a function to repeat messages on given intervals.  It's a common IRC
> function.
>
> The channel topic is usually only read on first entry to a channel, and
> yes it's largely ignored.  But if it's repeated every 5 minutes or so, it
> will be seen.  Every 20 minutes maybe repeat a link to the wiki or
> something.
>
> why do people come to IRC?  They come to ask questions, find answers,
> engage in discourse, and get some sort of feeling that they are part of a
> community.  The FAQ should be scrolled by every so often (at least a link to
> the FAQ) we have a FAQ don't we? :-)
>
> I'll see you tonight, and maybe we can add this issue to the agenda.
>
> GMc
>
>
>
>
> > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Greg McCrory <greg at coolbrew.com <mailto:
> > greg at coolbrew.com>> wrote:
> >
> >    I would even venture the argument that recent decisions, notices, and
> >    other information should be continuously scrolled on the IRC
> >    channel by
> >    the channel bot.
> >
> >
> >    Dustin Puryear wrote:
> >    > Did you know the list is configured to reply to the OP instead
> >    of back
> >    > to the list? I just clicked Reply and it was addressed to
> >    > wesj at wesleyharp.com <mailto:wesj at wesleyharp.com>. Odd. Just a FYI.
> >
> >    >
> >    > Anyway, this is pretty much par for the course, so you just have
> >    to get
> >    > used to it. If someone asks something that is already
> >    documented, just
> >    > reply with the URL. Eventually that will help. Otherwise, that's
> >    just
> >    > the way the Internet is. :)
> >    >
> >    > --
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> >    > 225-706-8414 x112
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> >    >
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> >    >    http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
> >    >
> >    >
> >    > Wesley Harp wrote:
> >    >
> >    >> I don't want to be writing this email, I wish there was no
> >    need.  That
> >    >> being said, it is not my intention to step on anyone's toes or
> >    offend
> >    >> anyone.  Additionally, I am not speaking for the group even if
> >    I use
> >    >> "we" or any other plural pronoun.
> >    >>
> >    >> Our resources are stretched pretty thinly.  For a team with 30+
> >    members,
> >    >> there is a very small minority doing most of the work.  I
> >    understand
> >    >> that's how thing are in life and I'm ok with it, or at least
> >    more ok
> >    >> with it than I used to be.  That being said, what I don't think
> >    is ok is
> >    >> for all the work we are doing to be ignored.  We try to keep
> >    everyone
> >    >> informed as much as possible.  We send out information to the
> >    mailing
> >    >> list, there are posts on the forums, meeting reminders are sent
> >    out, and
> >    >> there are details on things on the wiki.  All this takes a LOT
> >    of work.
> >    >> We miss some things, but by and large the information is all up
> >    to date
> >    >> and accurate.
> >    >>
> >    >> I feel like no matter how much information we're putting out
> >    there, we
> >    >> keep getting asked the same questions over and over.  Questions
> >    whose
> >    >> answers are easily found on one or more of our team resources
> >    (wiki,
> >    >> forum, Google calendar, etc.).  The answers are always
> >    available if you
> >    >> do a little looking.  I understand that everyone doesn't have
> >    the same
> >    >> amount of time to put forth, but for the people who show up
> >    once every
> >    >> month or so and want to know why they don't know about decision
> >    X, or
> >    >> feature Y I'm not sure what to say.  We can only do so much. If
> >    people
> >    >> aren't willing to keep themselves informed and up to date on
> > what's
> >    >> going on there's not much we can do about that.  At the same
> >    time, we
> >    >> aren't here to spoon feed information to everyone.
> >    >>
> >    >> All I'm asking is that people read the information we're
> >    sending out and
> >    >> make sure to check the site and other resources before you ask
> > your
> >    >> questions.  If you're going to commit to being a part of the
> >    team, then
> >    >> part of that commitment is keeping yourself informed.  It's up
> >    to you.
> >    >>
> >    >>
> >    >> Wes
> >    >>
> >    >>
> >    >
> >    >
> >
> >
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