[ubuntu-uk] Inline posting
Calum McAllister
cremcallister at hotmail.co.uk
Sun Jul 21 03:53:18 UTC 2013
So, has anyone else been too worried about using the wrong protocol on
here?
Yes, I've subscribed to this mailing list for years but it's about time I unsubscribed because I don't *know* this either and don't care to try to figure it out just to be discussing the correct format or how old school I am.
Perhaps a real problem-solver will come up with a way to avoid these discussions? I like the idea of a link to a clear explaination being included in the header.
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> 1. Re: Inline posting (pete smout)
> 2. Re: Inline posting (mac)
> 3. Re: Inline posting (Liam Proven)
> 4. Re: Inline posting (Bill B.)
> 5. Re: Inline posting (scoundrel50a)
> 6. Re: Inline posting (mac)
> 7. Re: Inline posting (Mu?iz)
> 8. Virgin broadband from 20 to 60 megas (Mu?iz)
> 9. Re: Virgin broadband from 20 to 60 megas (David King)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 13:22:40 +0100
> From: pete smout <psmouty at live.com>
> To: ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Inline posting
> Message-ID: <ksdve9$o96$1 at ger.gmane.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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> On 20/07/13 13:06, John Oliver wrote:
> > On 20/07/13 07:36, mac wrote:
> >> On 20 Jul 2013, at 03:48, Steven Roberts
> >> <cwmbranmathstutor at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> So, has anyone else been too worried about using the wrong
> >>> protocol on here?
> >
> >> This issue is a hardy perennial. There seem to be two worlds: one
> >> that maintains the original and ancient traditions of the early
> >> internet, and puts replies (preferably only plain text) below the
> >> original post; and one - containing the majority of the commercial,
> >> business and government world - that follows conventions introduced
> >> by Microsoft, and replies in HTML above the original.
> >
> >> Here, we are hard-core traditionalists: plain text replies below
> >> original. We sometimes have to remind people to do it.
> >
> >> There is, of course, no right answer - these are the conventions
> >> and traditions of different cultures. Anyway, when in France, be
> >> polite and speak French! ;)
> >
> >> mac
> >
> > That's quite a relief for me to hear it - I wasn't sure either!
> >
> > -John
> >
> >
> I am sue that the intention is not to scare people away, just to make
> the threads easier to follow when looking things up in the future!
> I would personally like anyone who needs technical support, ask for it
> how ever their phone I-pad or whatever lets them post!
>
> Just my 2 pence worth
>
> Pete
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 13:37:47 +0100
> From: mac <ammonius.grammaticus at gmx.co.uk>
> To: UK Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Inline posting
> Message-ID: <51EA849B.9020404 at gmx.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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> On 20/07/13 13:22, pete smout wrote:
> > I am sure that the intention is not to scare people away, just to make
> > the threads easier to follow when looking things up in the future!
>
> Yes, I agree - it really is a matter of making a discussion easier to
> follow by keeping it in order down the page in the way a natural
> conversation proceeds in real time.
>
> But one thing that really, really helps is to edit what you're replying
> to, so that what you quote contains just enough of the whole sequence
> for your reply to make sense. Scrolling down through 'House That Jack
> Built' email replies is tedious and time-consuming; and the continual
> repetition of the whole tale in every single reply is a profligate waste
> of server capacity!
>
> mac
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 13:55:00 +0100
> From: Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com>
> To: UK Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Inline posting
> Message-ID:
> <CAMTenCF1pUgx6wWDwGNN4e3PZJPG=-qdXnvBcZ-vT07dqLmhRg at mail.gmail.com>
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> On 20 July 2013 03:48, Steven Roberts <cwmbranmathstutor at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am an IT tutor and feel like I should already know these things!!
>
> O_O You didn't *know* this?
>
> I'm sorry, but I have to say, I am appalled.
>
> > I'm guessing that it gets confusing when some people use inline and some
> > don't within one long email chain.
>
> True, it does. But the problem is that too many people don't know how
> to do it right.
>
>
> > It might be something to do with Gmail
> > too.
>
> Gmail does bottom-quoting just fine. I'm typing in Gmail right now.
>
> --
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 15:26:29 +0100
> From: "Bill B." <boosys at gmail.com>
> To: ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Inline posting
> Message-ID: <1374330389.2602.2.camel at bjb-Desktop>
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> On Sat, 2013-07-20 at 13:55 +0100, Liam Proven wrote:
> > On 20 July 2013 03:48, Steven Roberts <cwmbranmathstutor at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I am an IT tutor and feel like I should already know these things!!
> >
> > O_O You didn't *know* this?
> >
> > I'm sorry, but I have to say, I am appalled.
> >
> > > I'm guessing that it gets confusing when some people use inline and some
> > > don't within one long email chain.
> >
> > True, it does. But the problem is that too many people don't know how
> > to do it right.
> >
> >
> > > It might be something to do with Gmail
> > > too.
> >
> > Gmail does bottom-quoting just fine. I'm typing in Gmail right now.
> >
> > --
> > Liam Proven ? Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile
> > Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven
> > MSN: lproven at hotmail.com ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven
> > Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884
> >
>
> Isn't it nice to know that no matter how honest the original post -
> respect is never guaranteed - is that the real meaning of bottom posting
> I wonder?
> --
> Bill B. [SuperEngineer]
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 15:40:43 +0100
> From: scoundrel50a <scoundrel50a at gmail.com>
> To: UK Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Inline posting
> Message-ID: <51EAA16B.7060806 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
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> On 20/07/2013 13:55, Liam Proven wrote:
> > On 20 July 2013 03:48, Steven Roberts <cwmbranmathstutor at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I am an IT tutor and feel like I should already know these things!!
> > O_O You didn't *know* this?
> >
> > I'm sorry, but I have to say, I am appalled.
> >
> >> I'm guessing that it gets confusing when some people use inline and some
> >> don't within one long email chain.
> > True, it does. But the problem is that too many people don't know how
> > to do it right.
> >
> >
> >> It might be something to do with Gmail
> >> too.
> > Gmail does bottom-quoting just fine. I'm typing in Gmail right now.
> >
> I have to say this I belong to quite a few discussion groups that only
> have top posting, and they even have a direction to post above the line.
> This is the only group that insists on bottom posting that I belong to.
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 16:03:54 +0100
> From: mac <ammonius.grammaticus at gmx.co.uk>
> To: UK Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Inline posting
> Message-ID: <24765488-A8B5-41B5-A7CF-984CD9D0E771 at gmx.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On 20 Jul 2013, at 15:40, scoundrel50a <scoundrel50a at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have to say this I belong to quite a few discussion groups that only have top posting, and they even have a direction to post above the line. This is the only group that insists on bottom posting that I belong to.
>
> Ah, we're old-school here - brought up on plain-text RFCs, punched tape and consoles, line printers, and audio-modems!
>
> ;)
>
> mac
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 16:23:59 +0100
> From: Mu?iz Piniella, Andr?s <a75576 at alumni.tecnun.es>
> To: ubuntu-uk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Inline posting
> Message-ID:
> <CAHVbspAVrLxCMiNxb1e7nYveyxi1GVVhHj4KfBQuTS+oDgBZTw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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> El 20/07/2013 16:11, "mac" <ammonius.grammaticus at gmx.co.uk> escribi?:
> >
> > On 20 Jul 2013, at 15:40, scoundrel50a <scoundrel50a at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I have to say this I belong to quite a few discussion groups that only
> have top posting, and they even have a direction to post above the line.
> This is the only group that insists on bottom posting that I belong to.
> >
> > Ah, we're old-school here - brought up on plain-text RFCs,
>
> I do not think bottom posting is old school. I think it makes sense. Sadly
> I only heard about it here. Tried to configure outlook to do this at work
> as well. Works but not as well as my personal email clients.
>
> Maybe put something on the signature of the mailing list with a link to
> wikipedia?
>
> In similar lines I am unsure if I post html or if i should use iso or
> utf-8? Encoding?
> I sometimes get special caracters lost such as ? and ?
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> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 20:52:44 +0100
> From: Mu?iz Piniella, Andr?s <a75576 at alumni.tecnun.es>
> To: ubuntu-uk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Virgin broadband from 20 to 60 megas
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> Hello all,
> The heaviest use of internet I do is for some video streaming at home. At
> the moment youtube on mobile and tablet and lovefilm on the wii (still no
> joy with ubuntu). Also video chat.
>
> They take less then a minute to load and only ocasionally do they break
> midway (normally removing hd mode makes things better).
>
> Do you think I would notice a significant improvement from going from 20
> megs to 60 megs?
>
> Bonus question: the upgrade will come with virgins wireless router that
> will be replacing my 7 year old router from netgear. Would that show a
> significant improvement as well? Most of my gadgets are wireless.
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> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 21:51:31 +0100
> From: David King <linuxman at avoura.com>
> To: ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Virgin broadband from 20 to 60 megas
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> In part it will depend on the speed of your wifi, it is slower than 20
> Mbit/s then upgrading your Virgin broadband will make no difference.
>
> Also consider the speed of the devices themselves, you wrote that HD
> does not always work well, so it might be that your devices cannot
> handle HD video well.
>
> Increasing the speed of your connection is unlikely to make much
> difference to the videos you download/stream. I have about 4 Mbit/s on
> my broadband and can stream videos online okay, although HD videos not
> always so smooth. Looking at the actual download speed for the video it
> shows something less than the 4 Mbit/s.
>
> I think that a faster internet connection will only allow you to do more
> at once rather than making videos play better.
>
> 20 Mbit/s is already 5 times what I have and should be good enough for
> streaming video. Even to more than one device at once.
>
> I would suggest you only upgrade to 60 Mbit/s if it costs the same,
> otherwise you are wasting your money, in my opinion.
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> On 20/07/13 20:52, Mu?iz Piniella, Andr?s wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> > The heaviest use of internet I do is for some video streaming at home.
> > At the moment youtube on mobile and tablet and lovefilm on the wii
> > (still no joy with ubuntu). Also video chat.
> >
> > They take less then a minute to load and only ocasionally do they
> > break midway (normally removing hd mode makes things better).
> >
> > Do you think I would notice a significant improvement from going from
> > 20 megs to 60 megs?
> >
> > Bonus question: the upgrade will come with virgins wireless router
> > that will be replacing my 7 year old router from netgear. Would that
> > show a significant improvement as well? Most of my gadgets are wireless.
> >
> >
> >
>
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