<html> <head> <style></style></head> <body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>So, has anyone else been too worried about using the wrong protocol on here? Yes, I've subscribed to this mailing list for years but it's about time I unsubscribed because I don't *know* this either and don't care to try to figure it out just to be discussing the correct format or how old school I am. Perhaps a real problem-solver will come up with a way to avoid these discussions? I like the idea of a link to a clear explaination being included in the header. <div>> From: ubuntu-uk-request@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 99, Issue 11 > To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 20:52:19 +0000 > > Send ubuntu-uk mailing list submissions to > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ubuntu-uk-request@lists.ubuntu.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ubuntu-uk-owner@lists.ubuntu.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-uk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Inline posting (pete smout) > 2. Re: Inline posting (mac) > 3. Re: Inline posting (Liam Proven) > 4. Re: Inline posting (Bill B.) > 5. Re: Inline posting (scoundrel50a) > 6. Re: Inline posting (mac) > 7. Re: Inline posting (Mu?iz) > 8. Virgin broadband from 20 to 60 megas (Mu?iz) > 9. Re: Virgin broadband from 20 to 60 megas (David King) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 13:22:40 +0100 > From: pete smout <psmouty@live.com> > To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Inline posting > Message-ID: <ksdve9$o96$1@ger.gmane.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 20/07/13 13:06, John Oliver wrote: > > On 20/07/13 07:36, mac wrote: > >> On 20 Jul 2013, at 03:48, Steven Roberts > >> <cwmbranmathstutor@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> So, has anyone else been too worried about using the wrong > >>> protocol on here? > > > >> This issue is a hardy perennial. There seem to be two worlds: one > >> that maintains the original and ancient traditions of the early > >> internet, and puts replies (preferably only plain text) below the > >> original post; and one - containing the majority of the commercial, > >> business and government world - that follows conventions introduced > >> by Microsoft, and replies in HTML above the original. > > > >> Here, we are hard-core traditionalists: plain text replies below > >> original. We sometimes have to remind people to do it. > > > >> There is, of course, no right answer - these are the conventions > >> and traditions of different cultures. Anyway, when in France, be > >> polite and speak French! ;) > > > >> mac > > > > That's quite a relief for me to hear it - I wasn't sure either! > > > > -John > > > > > I am sue that the intention is not to scare people away, just to make > the threads easier to follow when looking things up in the future! > I would personally like anyone who needs technical support, ask for it > how ever their phone I-pad or whatever lets them post! > > Just my 2 pence worth > > Pete > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 13:37:47 +0100 > From: mac <ammonius.grammaticus@gmx.co.uk> > To: UK Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Inline posting > Message-ID: <51EA849B.9020404@gmx.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 20/07/13 13:22, pete smout wrote: > > I am sure that the intention is not to scare people away, just to make > > the threads easier to follow when looking things up in the future! > > Yes, I agree - it really is a matter of making a discussion easier to > follow by keeping it in order down the page in the way a natural > conversation proceeds in real time. > > But one thing that really, really helps is to edit what you're replying > to, so that what you quote contains just enough of the whole sequence > for your reply to make sense. Scrolling down through 'House That Jack > Built' email replies is tedious and time-consuming; and the continual > repetition of the whole tale in every single reply is a profligate waste > of server capacity! > > mac > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 13:55:00 +0100 > From: Liam Proven <lproven@gmail.com> > To: UK Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Inline posting > Message-ID: > <CAMTenCF1pUgx6wWDwGNN4e3PZJPG=-qdXnvBcZ-vT07dqLmhRg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > On 20 July 2013 03:48, Steven Roberts <cwmbranmathstutor@gmail.com> wrote: > > I am an IT tutor and feel like I should already know these things!! > > O_O You didn't *know* this? > > I'm sorry, but I have to say, I am appalled. > > > I'm guessing that it gets confusing when some people use inline and some > > don't within one long email chain. > > True, it does. But the problem is that too many people don't know how > to do it right. > > > > It might be something to do with Gmail > > too. > > Gmail does bottom-quoting just fine. I'm typing in Gmail right now. > > -- > Liam Proven ? Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile > Email: lproven@cix.co.uk ? GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven > MSN: lproven@hotmail.com ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven > Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 15:26:29 +0100 > From: "Bill B." <boosys@gmail.com> > To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Inline posting > Message-ID: <1374330389.2602.2.camel@bjb-Desktop> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Sat, 2013-07-20 at 13:55 +0100, Liam Proven wrote: > > On 20 July 2013 03:48, Steven Roberts <cwmbranmathstutor@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I am an IT tutor and feel like I should already know these things!! > > > > O_O You didn't *know* this? > > > > I'm sorry, but I have to say, I am appalled. > > > > > I'm guessing that it gets confusing when some people use inline and some > > > don't within one long email chain. > > > > True, it does. But the problem is that too many people don't know how > > to do it right. > > > > > > > It might be something to do with Gmail > > > too. > > > > Gmail does bottom-quoting just fine. I'm typing in Gmail right now. > > > > -- > > Liam Proven ? Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile > > Email: lproven@cix.co.uk ? GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven > > MSN: lproven@hotmail.com ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven > > Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884 > > > > Isn't it nice to know that no matter how honest the original post - > respect is never guaranteed - is that the real meaning of bottom posting > I wonder? > -- > Bill B. [SuperEngineer] > > ------------------------------ > -Registered Linux User 523667- > -Registered Ubuntu User 32366- > -----Free as in Freedom------ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 15:40:43 +0100 > From: scoundrel50a <scoundrel50a@gmail.com> > To: UK Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Inline posting > Message-ID: <51EAA16B.7060806@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 20/07/2013 13:55, Liam Proven wrote: > > On 20 July 2013 03:48, Steven Roberts <cwmbranmathstutor@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I am an IT tutor and feel like I should already know these things!! > > O_O You didn't *know* this? > > > > I'm sorry, but I have to say, I am appalled. > > > >> I'm guessing that it gets confusing when some people use inline and some > >> don't within one long email chain. > > True, it does. But the problem is that too many people don't know how > > to do it right. > > > > > >> It might be something to do with Gmail > >> too. > > Gmail does bottom-quoting just fine. I'm typing in Gmail right now. > > > I have to say this I belong to quite a few discussion groups that only > have top posting, and they even have a direction to post above the line. > This is the only group that insists on bottom posting that I belong to. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 16:03:54 +0100 > From: mac <ammonius.grammaticus@gmx.co.uk> > To: UK Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Inline posting > Message-ID: <24765488-A8B5-41B5-A7CF-984CD9D0E771@gmx.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On 20 Jul 2013, at 15:40, scoundrel50a <scoundrel50a@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have to say this I belong to quite a few discussion groups that only have top posting, and they even have a direction to post above the line. This is the only group that insists on bottom posting that I belong to. > > Ah, we're old-school here - brought up on plain-text RFCs, punched tape and consoles, line printers, and audio-modems! > > ;) > > mac > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 16:23:59 +0100 > From: Mu?iz Piniella, Andr?s <a75576@alumni.tecnun.es> > To: ubuntu-uk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Inline posting > Message-ID: > <CAHVbspAVrLxCMiNxb1e7nYveyxi1GVVhHj4KfBQuTS+oDgBZTw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > El 20/07/2013 16:11, "mac" <ammonius.grammaticus@gmx.co.uk> escribi?: > > > > On 20 Jul 2013, at 15:40, scoundrel50a <scoundrel50a@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I have to say this I belong to quite a few discussion groups that only > have top posting, and they even have a direction to post above the line. > This is the only group that insists on bottom posting that I belong to. > > > > Ah, we're old-school here - brought up on plain-text RFCs, > > I do not think bottom posting is old school. I think it makes sense. Sadly > I only heard about it here. Tried to configure outlook to do this at work > as well. Works but not as well as my personal email clients. > > Maybe put something on the signature of the mailing list with a link to > wikipedia? > > In similar lines I am unsure if I post html or if i should use iso or > utf-8? Encoding? > I sometimes get special caracters lost such as ? and ? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20130720/72bc1319/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 20:52:44 +0100 > From: Mu?iz Piniella, Andr?s <a75576@alumni.tecnun.es> > To: ubuntu-uk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> > Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Virgin broadband from 20 to 60 megas > Message-ID: > <CAHVbspAc6YPcCSQTtUGQrWciqVZz5WYeQt__S6bRRJpO0im4Yg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello all, > The heaviest use of internet I do is for some video streaming at home. At > the moment youtube on mobile and tablet and lovefilm on the wii (still no > joy with ubuntu). Also video chat. > > They take less then a minute to load and only ocasionally do they break > midway (normally removing hd mode makes things better). > > Do you think I would notice a significant improvement from going from 20 > megs to 60 megs? > > Bonus question: the upgrade will come with virgins wireless router that > will be replacing my 7 year old router from netgear. Would that show a > significant improvement as well? Most of my gadgets are wireless. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20130720/f7ab058b/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 21:51:31 +0100 > From: David King <linuxman@avoura.com> > To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Virgin broadband from 20 to 60 megas > Message-ID: <51EAF853.7080307@avoura.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > In part it will depend on the speed of your wifi, it is slower than 20 > Mbit/s then upgrading your Virgin broadband will make no difference. > > Also consider the speed of the devices themselves, you wrote that HD > does not always work well, so it might be that your devices cannot > handle HD video well. > > Increasing the speed of your connection is unlikely to make much > difference to the videos you download/stream. I have about 4 Mbit/s on > my broadband and can stream videos online okay, although HD videos not > always so smooth. Looking at the actual download speed for the video it > shows something less than the 4 Mbit/s. > > I think that a faster internet connection will only allow you to do more > at once rather than making videos play better. > > 20 Mbit/s is already 5 times what I have and should be good enough for > streaming video. Even to more than one device at once. > > I would suggest you only upgrade to 60 Mbit/s if it costs the same, > otherwise you are wasting your money, in my opinion. > > > David > > > > On 20/07/13 20:52, Mu?iz Piniella, Andr?s wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > The heaviest use of internet I do is for some video streaming at home. > > At the moment youtube on mobile and tablet and lovefilm on the wii > > (still no joy with ubuntu). Also video chat. > > > > They take less then a minute to load and only ocasionally do they > > break midway (normally removing hd mode makes things better). > > > > Do you think I would notice a significant improvement from going from > > 20 megs to 60 megs? > > > > Bonus question: the upgrade will come with virgins wireless router > > that will be replacing my 7 year old router from netgear. Would that > > show a significant improvement as well? Most of my gadgets are wireless. > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20130720/996d1081/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > -- > ubuntu-uk mailing list > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > > > End of ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 99, Issue 11 > ***************************************** </div> </div></body> </html>