[ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 2
Andrew Nixon
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Re: OT CPU Advice (Seb Ward)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Re: OT CPU Advice (Chris Coulson)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8. Re: OT CPU Advice (Darren Mansell)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:05:04 +0100
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Seb Ward <ubuntu at gmx.it>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:42 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <B0E1E96C-9757-4AC7-AD88-D4DFDCCF3E86 at esdelle.co.uk>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> built
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Decent Abit mainboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMD Athlon X2 4200+
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2GB Corsair standard stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rocks)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dual layer DVD-+RW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 19" wide HannsG monitor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> board).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:11:46 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "gav" <revford at blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <20081201141146.GA16685 at bluemidget.local>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:52:42PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> board).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this board:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines use.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gav Ford
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revford at blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to: Reverse the polarity of the
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Chris Coulson" <chrisccoulson at googlemail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <383a17600812010621n454d12d2x52ae694f0f0e5b5e at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > money
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > built
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > was:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 0,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > rocks)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > always
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > liked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Abit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:43:17 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <49341425.5070107 at esdelle.co.uk>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Coulson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah that was it. TBH, there's not much difference in price
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some of the Foxconn boards and other boards from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MSI/Gigabite/ASUS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:46:54 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <493414FE.2060509 at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gav wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this board:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines use.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess it depends on what you use your machine for. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *could*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of all 4 cores on the Phenom but not very often, juging by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monitor the majority of the time most of the cores were sat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about 1.2GHz and it was only specific things I did that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than two cores. I do however sometimes tax the system
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think an Atom would meet my needs. If I didn't play HD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> video
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other half's PC then an Atom would probably do her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:10:54 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "gav" <revford at blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <20081201191054.GA28322 at bluemidget.local>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:46:54PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Atom seems to work fine for DVD playback, if that helps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the video side of things, I use an external USB DVD on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've no interest in BluRay yet so I can't tell you how it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From that review, it looks like the chipset it holding the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4W
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the processor but 22W for the chipset seems backwards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipset is well supported under Linux, especially the hassle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driver 3D support.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gav Ford
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revford at blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to: Repair the kettle flow
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 8
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:50:11 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Darren Mansell <darren at vcoc.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <342bbd654d1b1dbf225faa82bc732008 at localhost>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000, "Chris Coulson"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <chrisccoulson at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > money
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > built
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > was:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 0,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > rocks)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > always
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > liked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Abit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very interesting. Back in my R+D days for a used-to-be well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> british
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PC manufacturer I had to do a lot with Windows WHQL testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHQL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardware Quality Labs) is basically Microsoft paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manufacturers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to break support for Linux or any other OS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are test suites called the HCT tests. The mainboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BIOS,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VGA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> card
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BIOS, optical firmwares etc all had to be bodged to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tests.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft would give you kickbacks via the MDP (market
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if your stuff was all WHQL certified.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course every system integrator is then under pressure to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of hardware in their PC's WHQL certified and in turn put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pressure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware manufacturers to alter the BIOS/firmware to make it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows HCT. As money talks they have no time left to look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all just another way Microsoft have to make Linux look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheap
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joke. Open standards are their enemy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
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