[ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 2
Andrew Nixon
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Tue Dec 2 08:10:13 GMT 2008
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today's Topics:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Re: OT CPU Advice (Seb Ward)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Re: OT CPU Advice (Chris Coulson)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8. Re: OT CPU Advice (Darren Mansell)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:05:04 +0100
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Seb Ward <ubuntu at gmx.it>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:42 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <B0E1E96C-9757-4AC7-AD88-D4DFDCCF3E86 at esdelle.co.uk>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> built
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Decent Abit mainboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMD Athlon X2 4200+
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2GB Corsair standard stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rocks)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dual layer DVD-+RW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 19" wide HannsG monitor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> board).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:11:46 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "gav" <revford at blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <20081201141146.GA16685 at bluemidget.local>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:52:42PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> board).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this board:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines use.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gav Ford
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revford at blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to: Reverse the polarity of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> communications
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Chris Coulson" <chrisccoulson at googlemail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <383a17600812010621n454d12d2x52ae694f0f0e5b5e at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > money
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > built
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > was:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 0,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > rocks)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > always
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > liked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Abit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:43:17 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <49341425.5070107 at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Coulson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah that was it. TBH, there's not much difference in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> price
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some of the Foxconn boards and other boards from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MSI/Gigabite/ASUS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:46:54 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <493414FE.2060509 at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gav wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this board:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Watts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines use.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess it depends on what you use your machine for. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *could*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of all 4 cores on the Phenom but not very often, juging by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monitor the majority of the time most of the cores were sat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about 1.2GHz and it was only specific things I did that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than two cores. I do however sometimes tax the system
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think an Atom would meet my needs. If I didn't play HD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> video
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other half's PC then an Atom would probably do her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:10:54 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "gav" <revford at blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <20081201191054.GA28322 at bluemidget.local>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:46:54PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Atom seems to work fine for DVD playback, if that helps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the video side of things, I use an external USB DVD on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've no interest in BluRay yet so I can't tell you how it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From that review, it looks like the chipset it holding the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4W
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the processor but 22W for the chipset seems backwards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipset is well supported under Linux, especially the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hassle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driver 3D support.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gav Ford
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revford at blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to: Repair the kettle flow
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 8
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:50:11 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Darren Mansell <darren at vcoc.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <342bbd654d1b1dbf225faa82bc732008 at localhost>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000, "Chris Coulson"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <chrisccoulson at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > money
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > built
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > was:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 0,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > rocks)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > always
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > liked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Abit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very interesting. Back in my R+D days for a used-to-be well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> british
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PC manufacturer I had to do a lot with Windows WHQL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHQL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardware Quality Labs) is basically Microsoft paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manufacturers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to break support for Linux or any other OS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are test suites called the HCT tests. The mainboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BIOS,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VGA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> card
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BIOS, optical firmwares etc all had to be bodged to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tests.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft would give you kickbacks via the MDP (market
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if your stuff was all WHQL certified.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course every system integrator is then under pressure to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of hardware in their PC's WHQL certified and in turn put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pressure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware manufacturers to alter the BIOS/firmware to make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows HCT. As money talks they have no time left to look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all just another way Microsoft have to make Linux look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheap
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joke. Open standards are their enemy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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