[ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 2
Andrew Nixon
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Tue Dec 2 08:07:20 GMT 2008
On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <andrewnixon0 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Re: OT CPU Advice (Seb Ward)
>>>>>> 2. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard)
>>>>>> 3. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav)
>>>>>> 4. Re: OT CPU Advice (Chris Coulson)
>>>>>> 5. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard)
>>>>>> 6. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard)
>>>>>> 7. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav)
>>>>>> 8. Re: OT CPU Advice (Darren Mansell)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:05:04 +0100
>>>>>> From: Seb Ward <ubuntu at gmx.it>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>> To: ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
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>>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:42 +0000
>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>> Message-ID: <B0E1E96C-9757-4AC7-AD88-D4DFDCCF3E86 at esdelle.co.uk>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same money
>>>>>>> built
>>>>>>> a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Decent Abit mainboard
>>>>>>> AMD Athlon X2 4200+
>>>>>>> 2GB Corsair standard stuff
>>>>>>> 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it rocks)
>>>>>>> dual layer DVD-+RW
>>>>>>> 19" wide HannsG monitor
>>>>>>> Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got good
>>>>>>> components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always liked
>>>>>>> Abit
>>>>>>> motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience.
>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>> used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't
>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty quick
>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the
>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the board). I
>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also
>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now
>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:11:46 +0000
>>>>>> From: "gav" <revford at blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>> Message-ID: <20081201141146.GA16685 at bluemidget.local>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:52:42PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty quick
>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the
>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the board).
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also
>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now
>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a
>>>>>> modern
>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on my
>>>>>> desktop,
>>>>>> this board:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole system
>>>>>> runs
>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these big
>>>>>> rig
>>>>>> machines use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gav Ford
>>>>>> revford at blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>>> I think we need to: Reverse the polarity of the communications
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>>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000
>>>>>> From: "Chris Coulson" <chrisccoulson at googlemail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>> <383a17600812010621n454d12d2x52ae694f0f0e5b5e at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same
>>>>>>> > money
>>>>>>> > built
>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard
>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+
>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff
>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it
>>>>>>> > rocks)
>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW
>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor
>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got
>>>>>>> > good
>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always
>>>>>>> > liked
>>>>>>> > Abit
>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience.
>>>>>>> > They
>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't
>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're probably referring to this:
>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Chris
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:43:17 +0000
>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>> Message-ID: <49341425.5070107 at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Coulson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this:
>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah that was it. TBH, there's not much difference in price between
>>>>>> some of the Foxconn boards and other boards from MSI/Gigabite/ASUS
>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message: 6
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:46:54 +0000
>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>> Message-ID: <493414FE.2060509 at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> gav wrote:
>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a
>>>>>>> modern
>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on my
>>>>>>> desktop,
>>>>>>> this board:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole system
>>>>>>> runs
>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these big
>>>>>>> rig
>>>>>>> machines use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess it depends on what you use your machine for. I *could* make
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> of all 4 cores on the Phenom but not very often, juging by the system
>>>>>> monitor the majority of the time most of the cores were sat idle at
>>>>>> about 1.2GHz and it was only specific things I did that actually used
>>>>>> more than two cores. I do however sometimes tax the system so I don't
>>>>>> think an Atom would meet my needs. If I didn't play HD video on my
>>>>>> other half's PC then an Atom would probably do her.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently
>>>>>> running
>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading
>>>>>> this....
>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message: 7
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:10:54 +0000
>>>>>> From: "gav" <revford at blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>> Message-ID: <20081201191054.GA28322 at bluemidget.local>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:46:54PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently
>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading
>>>>>>> this....
>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Atom seems to work fine for DVD playback, if that helps you judge
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the video side of things, I use an external USB DVD on the machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've no interest in BluRay yet so I can't tell you how it handles
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From that review, it looks like the chipset it holding the Atom back,
>>>>>> 4W
>>>>>> for the processor but 22W for the chipset seems backwards. However
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> chipset is well supported under Linux, especially the hassle free,
>>>>>> open
>>>>>> driver 3D support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gav Ford
>>>>>> revford at blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>>> I think we need to: Repair the kettle flow
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message: 8
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:50:11 +0000
>>>>>> From: Darren Mansell <darren at vcoc.co.uk>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>> Message-ID: <342bbd654d1b1dbf225faa82bc732008 at localhost>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000, "Chris Coulson"
>>>>>> <chrisccoulson at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same
>>>>>>>> > money
>>>>>>>> > built
>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard
>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+
>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff
>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it
>>>>>>>> > rocks)
>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW
>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor
>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got
>>>>>>>> > good
>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always
>>>>>>>> > liked
>>>>>>>> > Abit
>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience.
>>>>>>>> > They
>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't
>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this:
>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very interesting. Back in my R+D days for a used-to-be well known
>>>>>> british
>>>>>> PC manufacturer I had to do a lot with Windows WHQL testing. WHQL
>>>>>> (Windows
>>>>>> Hardware Quality Labs) is basically Microsoft paying hardware
>>>>>> manufacturers
>>>>>> to break support for Linux or any other OS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are test suites called the HCT tests. The mainboard BIOS, VGA
>>>>>> card
>>>>>> BIOS, optical firmwares etc all had to be bodged to work with these
>>>>>> tests.
>>>>>> Microsoft would give you kickbacks via the MDP (market development
>>>>>> program)
>>>>>> if your stuff was all WHQL certified.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course every system integrator is then under pressure to get every
>>>>>> piece
>>>>>> of hardware in their PC's WHQL certified and in turn put pressure on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> hardware manufacturers to alter the BIOS/firmware to make it work for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Windows HCT. As money talks they have no time left to look at Linux
>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's all just another way Microsoft have to make Linux look like some
>>>>>> cheap
>>>>>> joke. Open standards are their enemy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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