ubuntu-docs updates for translation into Intrepid

[Danilo Šegan]

Hi Matthew,

У чет, 02. 10 2008. у 09:59 +0100, Matthew East пише:
> Hi Danilo,

> From Hardy to Intrepid the paths of the pot (and po) files have been
> changed as follows:
> 
> ubuntu/add-applications/po/add-applications.pot
> add-applications/po/add-applications.pot
> 
> (i.e. the preliminary ubuntu/ and generic/ prefixes have been removed).
> 
> However, this is *not* a change done during the release cycle, the
> very first package uploaded to Intrepid had this change, so there is
> no reason that I can see for Launchpad to have been confused by it.

Depends on how you assume the Launchpad is designed. We are not
auto-approving sourcepackages with multiple templates in them, and
especially not if they change paths.  Basically, there are quite a few
possible improvements, but when you see what we have seen (people
uploading packages which use entirely different POT file names from one
upload to the other), there is not much you can do in providing a
generic solution unless you spend quite some time exploring it.

>From recent discussions with Ubuntu people, we are considering special
casing Ubuntu packages, but that requires more work, and we've not yet
scheduled it.

> Moreover, we are talking about 4 August 2008 - two months ago!

There was some miscommunication between Ubuntu and Launchpad teams about
sharing responsibilities for template approvals, and nothing ended up
being looked at in the Ubuntu queue.  We've tracked the problem down
only recently (about a week or two ago), and have since worked hard to
resolve all the remaining issues.

> Surely the solution is just to look at the most recent upload? The
> structure of kubuntu-docs (both in the bzr branch and the source
> package) looks to me to follow the "docs/" prefix. But if there was
> confusion, it's the simplest thing in the world to ask for
> clarification when that arises.

I agree, except that we were not even supposed to look at these things
anymore (minus the miscommunication problem, so we ended up looking at
it when we realised the sitatuion became critical).

> I wonder if there is any way that package uploaders or maintainers
> could be more involved in the pot template approval / review process?
> At the moment there seem to be serious communication issues...

They indeed could.  We are helping set up an Ubuntu Translations
Coordinator team (at the moment led by Arne Goetje, but Canonical is
hiring a dedicated person for the role, and we are hoping for community
participation) which would get a lot of power in managing Ubuntu
templates and translations in Launchpad. How the team organizes
themselves from then on is up to the Ubuntu guys (i.e. including
packagers and maintainers), and we'd work in implementing the policies
that suit them best.

That will also allow us to concentrate on actual Launchpad hacking,
trying to spend more time on implementing features Ubuntu community
needs than managing templates which can very well be done by somebody
from the community who would not need to do so much investigation before
they could set it up (i.e. a packager is bound to know quite a few
details).

> > I tried pinging you the other day on IRC, but then got busy with other
> > stuff. Anyway, if there's anyone who can help us resolve the situation
> > with *ubuntu-docs, I guess it's you, so feel free to get in touch and
> > we'll look into solving everything live.
> 
> I'm currently without internet at home, so can't access irc. But I
> check my email and mail to this list regularly.

Ok, then email it will be for resolving this.

I'll get on to fixing kubuntu-docs template paths as well.

Cheers,
Danilo