[ubuntu-studio-users] ubuntu-studio-users Digest, Vol 115, Issue 6

Fri Nov 18 15:11:36 UTC 2016

Dear Sir:

As I explained in my first reply to you, I suggest that you install and use
the Synaptic Package Manager. With it you can install *anything* that you
could have installed from the Software Centre had that program worked on
your computer. You could then completely ignore the troublesome Software
Centre program.

To Ralf:

The reason I gave the instructions I did was because the OP stated that he
is not comfortable with the command line and I wanted to keep things as
easy as possible for him. The older commands still work and they do so
without any exceptions.

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 8:43 AM, AURO KUMAR SAHOO <aksahoo.barc at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks community for such nice response.
>
> I install fresh Ubuntu studio 16.04.1. During install I choose to use 3rd
> party plugins and Update. After install complete i Update all again
> including language . Now I open software centre to install vlc.
>
> But to my surprise it opens and closes automatically and ask me to send
> error report,  which I send. Logout and login again and open software
> centre again but now it opens and in closes all of suddenly and it persists
> till now.
>
> I had clean installed many times like 12.04, 14.04 but it is first time I
> see Ubuntu behave like Microsoft Windows.
>
> I even re-download hoping there may be some error in download but 2nd time
> same.
>
> I had used 16.04 Ubuntu studio on the sama machine. Don't know why its
> coming.
>
> I am a cinematographer and I use Ubuntu studio in home for some multimedia
> creation and videography.
>
> That's why I had less knowledge about command line. But I love Ubuntu
> studio for its simple non Linux user friendly approach. So I may try to
> learn but not sure, till then pls help me.
>
> Thanks again community for support
>
> Regards.
>
> On 18 Nov 2016 5:31 p.m., <ubuntu-studio-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com>
> wrote:
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>>    1. Re:  Software centre not working and crashes (Lawrence H. Bulk)
>>    2. Re:  Software centre not working and crashes (Ralf Mardorf)
>>    3. Re:  Software centre not working and crashes (Lawrence H. Bulk)
>>    4.  Why recommending apt-get is obsolet - Re: Software centre
>>       not working and crashes (Ralf Mardorf)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 10:09:35 -0500
>> From: "Lawrence H. Bulk" <lhbcomm at gmail.com>
>> To: Ubuntu Studio Users <ubuntu-studio-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Software centre not working and
>>         crashes
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>> I can appreciate the fact that you are not comfortable with the command
>> line.
>>
>> But try this:
>>
>> Open the Terminal
>>
>> Type (or, preferably, copy) the following:
>>
>> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo update-manager
>>
>> This will update the computer. I use these commands to check for updates
>> every day
>>
>> (The update-manager will let you know if the computer must be rebooted.)
>>
>> If computer did not need to be rebooted, type the following:
>>
>> sudo apt-get install synaptic
>>
>> (If the computer needed to be rebooted, just do so and then open the
>> Terminal again and type the Synaptic Package Manager installation
>> command.)
>>
>> You can install anything you want from the Synaptic Package Manager which,
>> though older and not as 'pretty', actually works far better and faster
>> than
>> does the Software Centre. If you wish to install programs not in Synaptic
>> you might want to install the gdebi program (sudo apt-get install gdebi)
>> which works much better at installing such programs than does the Software
>> Centre.
>>
>> Another valuable use for the command line is the ability to install extra
>> PPAs which may contain other programs you may wish to use. Installation of
>> these PPAs via the command line is very easy.
>>
>> Don't be afraid of the command line (the Terminal). I was until I
>> discovered how easy it is to actually use. Most of the time I still use
>> GUIs but there are times when the Terminal is better. Daily updating is
>> one
>> of them and sometimes installing a program is too. (To install a program
>> via the command line you must know its EXACT name.) In almost every case
>> the Terminal runs whatever you wish to do faster than does a GUI. At least
>> that's been my experience.
>>
>> I hope that this helps you.
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 16:52:39 +0100
>> From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>
>> To: ubuntu-studio-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Software centre not working and
>>         crashes
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>> Hi,
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 10:09:35 -0500, Lawrence H. Bulk wrote:
>> >If computer did not need to be rebooted, type the following:
>> >
>> >sudo apt-get install synaptic
>>
>> You could install synaptic, before you reboot. There usually is no
>> reason to reboot at all. A reboot only makes sense sometimes, e.g. if
>> you want to use a new kernel, or if the old kernel and it's modules were
>> removed and you want to start something, that requires modules, that are
>> not already loaded. However, you could reboot, it doesn't harm.
>>
>> The reason I reply is to inform you about "apt" and "gdebi from command
>> line".
>>
>> >If you wish to install programs not in Synaptic you might want to
>> >install the gdebi program (sudo apt-get install gdebi) which works
>> >much better at installing such programs than does the Software Centre.
>>
>> AFAIK Synaptic can't do what gdebi could do. IIRC Synaptic can only
>> install from repositories, while gdebi could install local packages and
>> resolve dependencies from repositories. Local packages are downloaded
>> packages or packages you build on your own. However, for 16.04.1 there
>> is no need to use gdebi, since apt can do it now, too.
>>
>> In the past
>>
>>   sudo dpkg -i <path/package> && sudo apt-get install -f
>>
>> or
>>
>>   sudo gdebi <path/package>
>>
>> was needed to install a local package and resolve dependencies,
>> nowadays apt is able to do the same. IOW there's no need to install
>> anything, just run
>>
>>   sudo apt install <path/package>
>>
>> Current versions of apt are able to install local packages and resolve
>> dependencies. This might not work for old versions of apt, but the
>> version provided by 16.04.1 isn't old.
>>
>> For new releases of Ubuntu, such as 16.04.1
>>
>>   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
>>
>> should be replaced by
>>
>>   sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
>>
>> since apt became the new official tool for Ubuntu flavours. Help pages
>> still mention apt-get, because at least one Ubuntu release that is
>> still supported, doesn't provide apt. Anyway, novices don't need to
>> learn apt-get commands, it's better thy directly learn apt commands.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ralf
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 15:58:30 -0500
>> From: "Lawrence H. Bulk" <lhbcomm at gmail.com>
>> To: Ubuntu Studio Users <ubuntu-studio-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Software centre not working and
>>         crashes
>> Message-ID:
>>         <CAC1vDTy7hg_Ora06hyfYTr4uKQdSY0Os5j5F8uwT7yoiMZs-Cw at mail.
>> gmail.com>
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>>
>> To Ralf:
>>
>> You may have misunderstood somewhat the nature and reason for my
>> explanation to the OP. He stated that with a new UbuntuStudio
>> installation,
>> the Software Centre crashes. This is not the first time I have heard of
>> such a problem (though it has never happened to me).
>>
>> He also stated that he was not truly comfortable using the command line.
>>
>> I recommended 'apt-get' because it ALWAYS works and does so on every
>> Debian-derived distribution of which I am aware. (I use 'apt' myself on my
>> own UbuntuStudio machine.)
>>
>> I explained that, after he updates via the command line that he ALSO run
>> the Update Manager. The command line does not tell you when it is
>> necessary
>> to reboot and I do not know how frequently or when the OP last updated his
>> installation. If it has been a while, a reboot is probably in order. But
>> the Update Manager will let him know for sure if it's necessary or not.
>> Frankly I do this myself every day because my computer updates much faster
>> using the Terminal than it does with the Update Manager or Synaptic.
>>
>> Perhaps I did not make myself clear: Synaptic (which, in my opinion, is
>> far
>> superior to that hopeless Software Centre) can only install programs which
>> are in whatever repositories are currently activated on his computer. And,
>> if his Software Centre is somehow corrupted, he needs Synaptic in order to
>> install new programs.
>>
>> Gdebi installs downloaded (locally stored) .deb programs and does so much
>> better than does the Software Centre. Such programs are now not often used
>> as many (most?) of them now have their own PPAs, for example, the VLC
>> Nightly Builds. But I feel that it's still useful to have gdebi installed
>> and I wanted to help the OP to become a little more familiar with the
>> command line.
>>
>> I hope that this clarifies things and is helpful to the OP.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Ralf Mardorf <
>> ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 10:09:35 -0500, Lawrence H. Bulk wrote:
>> > >If computer did not need to be rebooted, type the following:
>> > >
>> > >sudo apt-get install synaptic
>> >
>> > You could install synaptic, before you reboot. There usually is no
>> > reason to reboot at all. A reboot only makes sense sometimes, e.g. if
>> > you want to use a new kernel, or if the old kernel and it's modules were
>> > removed and you want to start something, that requires modules, that are
>> > not already loaded. However, you could reboot, it doesn't harm.
>> >
>> > The reason I reply is to inform you about "apt" and "gdebi from command
>> > line".
>> >
>> > >If you wish to install programs not in Synaptic you might want to
>> > >install the gdebi program (sudo apt-get install gdebi) which works
>> > >much better at installing such programs than does the Software Centre.
>> >
>> > AFAIK Synaptic can't do what gdebi could do. IIRC Synaptic can only
>> > install from repositories, while gdebi could install local packages and
>> > resolve dependencies from repositories. Local packages are downloaded
>> > packages or packages you build on your own. However, for 16.04.1 there
>> > is no need to use gdebi, since apt can do it now, too.
>> >
>> > In the past
>> >
>> >   sudo dpkg -i <path/package> && sudo apt-get install -f
>> >
>> > or
>> >
>> >   sudo gdebi <path/package>
>> >
>> > was needed to install a local package and resolve dependencies,
>> > nowadays apt is able to do the same. IOW there's no need to install
>> > anything, just run
>> >
>> >   sudo apt install <path/package>
>> >
>> > Current versions of apt are able to install local packages and resolve
>> > dependencies. This might not work for old versions of apt, but the
>> > version provided by 16.04.1 isn't old.
>> >
>> > For new releases of Ubuntu, such as 16.04.1
>> >
>> >   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
>> >
>> > should be replaced by
>> >
>> >   sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
>> >
>> > since apt became the new official tool for Ubuntu flavours. Help pages
>> > still mention apt-get, because at least one Ubuntu release that is
>> > still supported, doesn't provide apt. Anyway, novices don't need to
>> > learn apt-get commands, it's better thy directly learn apt commands.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Ralf
>> >
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>> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:05:20 +0100
>> From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>
>> To: ubuntu-studio-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: [ubuntu-studio-users] Why recommending apt-get is obsolet -
>>         Re: Software centre not working and crashes
>> Message-ID: <20161118110520.5c2a72e2 at archlinux.localdomain>
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>> Lawrence, I only wanted to inform, that from command line apt-get is not
>> the official Ubuntu package management tool anymore.  It is apt. For
>> command line gdebi is replaced by apt, too. For scripts and very old
>> Ubuntu releases it remains to be apt-get.
>>
>> My information is not related to the GUIs.
>>
>> In regards to reboots, it never is necessary to reboot, it just is
>> required, if a user wants to use e.g. an upgraded kernel, but actually
>> it's possible to continue using an old kernel, even if it was purged,
>> it's still in the memory. In short, yes, command line doesn't inform if
>> you need to reboot, simply because there is no need to reboot. If a user
>> expects new features that aren't available, then it's a general
>> troubleshooting rule to reboot. Without rebooting nothing evil could
>> happen.
>>
>> There are reasons why Ubuntu migrated to apt and why we should start to
>> explain novices how to use apt, instead of apt-get.
>>
>> Apart from eye-candy, there's one important apt default setting that
>> differs to the default setting of apt-get. By default apt doesn't keep
>> packages in cache. It's possible to change the default settings for apt
>> as well as apt-get, however, by default they don't share the same
>> settings.
>>
>> The confusing name "dist-upgrade" was replaced by "full-upgrade".
>>
>> Not only gdebi is replaced by apt, also a few dpkg commands became
>> unnecessary when using apt.
>>
>> Recommending apt-get, gdebi and a few dpkg commands only makes sense if
>> we don't know what release of Ubuntu is used, or if scripts should use a
>> command with pipes and things like this.
>>
>> If we know that somebody does use a new release of Ubuntu Studio, it's
>> better if Ubuntu flavour mailing lists follow common practise of Ubuntu
>> mailing lists, this is to explain usage of apt. As soon as the last
>> supported release not providing apt reaches end of life, the Wiki/help
>> pages should be edited, IOW apt-get should be replaced by apt.
>>
>> Sure, apt-get still is safe and doesn't harm, other then the frowned
>> upon aptitude, it's not bad to mention apt-get. The reason to prefer
>> mentioning apt over apt-get is, that for the Ubuntu desktop and Ubuntu
>> flavours desktop main target group apt introduced more
>> user-friendliness.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ralf
>>
>>
>>
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