Has somebody a stable Ubuntu Studio NATTY 64-bit?
Mike Holstein
mikeh789 at gmail.com
Mon May 30 22:05:30 UTC 2011
ralph
ardour not only works fine for me for professional use, but as i said, i
actually do prefer it. protools is arguably the industry standard in digital
audio recording, and i have seen it, and ardour both crash. both ardour and
protools (as well as other DAW's) seem to do a good job of keeping the files
as they record. *one time ardour crashed while i was recording, and again,
as i said before, it was an issue with something i was trying in JACK that
caused the crash. however, the file i recorded was still there, so, i didnt,
and still haven't actually lost any data using ardour.
i believe our argument is originating from a general misunderstanding. i
believe you are saying ardour, as well as any computer based recording
system is not appropriate for professional audio? this opinion is arguable,
however, what is not arguable is the main reason why professional and home
studios use computers for recording in the first place... cost. purchasing
analog tape, and maintaining analog equipment is quite expensive. digital
recording has allowed home studios to get nice professional quality results,
as well as allow professional studios to pass the savings of digital media
use on to the client.
again, if you find a specific issue with ardour that is not working
properly, or meeting your needs, PLEASE get involved in resolving the issue.
if you dont like digital recording or ardour, then you dont need to use it.
and again, PLEASE do not spread things such as..
"Thats not true! I like Ardour2. It's very, very good, but you can't do
professional work with it."
...since many of us actually do use if for professional work quite
regularly.
thanks for your understanding
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 16:35 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote:
> > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Ralf Mardorf
> > <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 14:15 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote:
> > > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Ralf Mardorf
> > > <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:
> > > Hi Karl :)
> > >
> > > today I got a RME card, very, very expensive. I'm
> > curious
> > > about it. I
> > > wonder if it will sound better than all the other
> > cards I
> > > know, or if I
> > > just spend money for nothing. I bought a B-stock
> > (customer
> > > return), so
> > > somebody perhaps wasn't satisfied by this card ;).
> > >
> > > ACK, but no full ACK regarding to "Linux audio isn't
> > that
> > > good, as
> > > proprietary audio is". MIDI jitter for hw MIDI is an
> > issue on
> > > all OS,
> > > AFAIK only Nuendo should be good and still with
> > limitations.
> > > There
> > > should be no App for Apple or Microsoft systems,
> > excepted of
> > > Nuendo.
> > > Using Jack2 from svn + a2jmidi_bridge on my Maverick
> > install
> > > had at
> > > least for one song, completely no limitation. It was
> > hard
> > > real-time as
> > > good as C64, Atari ST and 80's stand alone
> > sequencers, there
> > > was no
> > > jitter.
> > > Regarding to audio it depends to the needs. If I
> > should get
> > > rid of audio
> > > loss, I'm satisfied for home recording. Just for
> > professional
> > > work
> > > Ardour2 IMO isn't stable enough. Sometimes it crash
> > and
> > > sometimes still
> > > is to often, regarding to contract penalty.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Ralf
> > >
> > >
> > > for me, ardour is quite a bit more stable than cubase was
> > for me in
> > > XP, as well as more capable. i usually find when ardour is
> > crashy, its
> > > something im doing which is causing the instability. i was
> > trying the
> > > new irlv2 plugin, and that seemed to cause instability. i
> > tried using
> > > another packaged version of the irlv2 plug from falktx's
> > KXstudio ppa,
> > > and ardour (so far) has been stable again. i personally
> > enjoy the way
> > > JACK lets me push my system, and find the limitations of my
> > hardware.
> > > i remember doing something similar in cubase where i would
> > push the
> > > limits of latency and get a less stable system, making
> > cubase less
> > > stable. i have been in studios where most of the big name
> > current
> > > popular DAW's have crashed. when you push any system to its
> > limits,
> > > you can get instability. i find Paul Davis and the ardour
> > team to be
> > > quite responsive to comments and bug reports. if you are
> > experiencing
> > > ardour instability not relating to personal configuration
> > errors, i
> > > urge you to get involved, and report your findings.
> > personally, i find
> > > if i relax my JACK settings a bit, the system becomes stable
> > again.
> >
> >
> > I'm not abreast of the times regarding to the professional
> > audio work
> > that costs much money. Some years ago computers were only used
> > in the
> > studio, for live recordings or orchestra sessions stand-alone
> > devices
> > analog and/or digital were used. I remember one session at the
> > Sender
> > Berlin, Al Schmitt came from the USA and the equipment was a
> > bus from
> > France, the only computer was for the Neve's Flying Faders
> > (fader
> > automation ;) and this computer was invisible ;). The recorder
> > was a
> > digital Sony tape recorder. I wonder if somebody like Al
> > Schmitt would
> > use any computer today, so I did a google pic search ...
> > there's
> > something in the background :D ...
> >
> http://www.grammy.com/files/imagecache/photo_gallery_full_size_image/news/producera_maury_60232914_max.jpg?1296662944
> >
> > Btw. he's one of the few very likeable professional engineers
> > I met,
> > most of those VIP engineers are complete assholes.
> > I should have thought he won't use a computer, but I guess I
> > was
> > mistaken.
> >
> > OTOH, if you take a look at this kind of studios, e.g.
> > http://www.chicksingernight.com/contest/Recording-TheVillage.jpgit
> > might be that those computers are quasi stand-alone-devices,
> > customized
> > to the whole equipment.
> >
> > I very often asked the community to give me the name of at
> > least one big
> > audio studio using Linux and I always noticed that they not
> > really know
> > what a professional studio is.
> >
> > What ever those guys are using, it's not Ardour2 ;).
> >
> > http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=al+schmitt+audio
> >
> +engineer&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1024&bih=599&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi
> >
> > Hm? Bruce Sweeden? A bossom friend of Dirk Brauner ... Oops
> > this is the
> > correct writing "Bruce Swedien"
> >
> > There are monitors in the background, unfortunately tze pics
> > are just
> > thumbnails. http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=Bruce+Swedien
> > +audio
> >
> +engineer&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1024&bih=599&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi
> >
> > are you saying professional studios dont run ardour?.. to be clear, i
> > was pointing out that ANY DAW, on any OS can become unstable, and i
> > was also pointing out that if you are experiencing instability with
> > ardour, feel free to properly report the issue so all of us can take
> > advantage of the bug reporting and fixing.
> >
> >
> > as far as pro studios running ardour, my studio runs ardour. so does
> > this one http://www.sonicstudio.it/
>
> This studio might be a good studio, don't get me wrong, but it has
> nothing in common with the real big studios. I guess the difference is
> visible ;). Anyway, the productions from this studio could be very good,
> I don't know it, but it's a small studio. I call this a home recording
> studio.
>
> > , and of course there is/was the
> > http://www.sae.edu/en-gb/content/80/Ardour_-_SAE_Edition .
>
> Haha SAE, in Germany they are an absolute joke, never met a good
> engineer from SAE, of cause they are important customers, even for
> professional companies that sell equipment. But forget SAE, it's
> completely non-serious. SAE are crooks in Germany! They aren't
> professional, Brauner sold stuff to them, we know SAE. It's an
> non-serious school.
>
> > there are plenty others if you want to google around and look them up.
> > i dont feel i need to defend ardour to anyone. if it works for you,
> > use it, and if it doesnt, then use what works for you. theres no
> > shortage of DAW's, even in linux (such as http://www.renoise.com/).
> > HOWEVER, do not help spread a false idea that linux and/or ardour is
> > not up to the task. are there limitations? of course. i think all
> > DAW's/OS's are going to have limitations. AFAIK, we dont really have a
> > good easy way to do 5.1 mixing in linux. video production software is
> > what it is. ardour2 doesnt have MIDI support, but version 3 will/does.
> > for me the combination of JACK + ubuntustudio with all the apps that
> > support JACK out of the box, and the interconnectivity that that gives
> > me is a win. if i did more MIDI sequencing, i might have a different
> > opinion, but i hope ardour3 is a good answer to that particular
> > workflow.
>
> How often did you record big orchestras in studio halls? I guess you and
> I we are talking about different things, when we are talking about
> professional audio engineering. I'm not talking about my home MIDI
> music, I'm talking about the jobs I did and about the jobs other people
> still do. If Ardour2 would crash you might need to repeat a 60 minutes
> recording with 30 musicians and a large studio hall, a studio bus etc.,
> this is very much money.
> >
> >
> > PLEASE help us spread the work about how capable the software we have
> > is. if you prefer using protools or whatever, thats great, and i
> > personally welcome the constructive discussions of those differences,
> > and what is working well, and what is not, and why cubase or protools
> > (or whatever) is preferred. but please dont spread any misinformation
> > about how ardour is not capable.
>
> *chuckle* You spread misinformation. 1. I'm not pro protools!!! 2.
> Ardour2 can't be used. A crash could cost thousands of $.
>
> > a preference is a preference, but ardour is awesome, and utilized by
> > professionals all over the world.
>
> Thats not true! I like Ardour2. It's very, very good, but you can't do
> professional work with it.
> >
> >
> > i apologize if i misunderstood you, i can be defensive about the
> > software and community im passionate about.
>
> There's nothing bad with home recording. I'm poor and I like to get
> FLOSS home recording software. But audio engineering was my job.
>
> Best,
>
> Ralf
> >
> >
> >
> >
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