[Proposal] - No instant messenger in Ubuntu Studio.

[Luis de Bethencourt]

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Jussi Schultink <jussi01 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Luis de Bethencourt <luisbg at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Cory K. <coryisatm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 10/19/2009 07:48 PM, Eric Hedekar wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Cory K.<coryisatm at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I /thought/ I expressed my disapproval w/Ubuntu switching to Empathy
>>>>> over Pidgin early in the cycle but I mighta just ranted in IRC. :P
>>>>>
>>>>> In any case, the more I thought about asking Luke to switch it in our
>>>>> seeds I thought about whether it really makes sense for Studio? A distro
>>>>> that is *not* a desktop distro.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I propose we support/ship no client by default. Let the user apt-get
>>>>> whatever they like.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please chime in on this so we can act quickly. (as I'm sure we're
>>>>> totally up against a freeze or something)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Cory K.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> IF there's still time, I'd support shipping Karmic without a
>>>> messenger. The only downside is that we conduct much of the Ubuntu
>>>> Studio work on IRC and shipping without any IRC client might send a
>>>> slight anti-participatory signal to users (just a slight one).
>>>
>>> As Studio is and has been from it's inception meant to be used on
>>> purpose-built, stand-alone systems I just don't feel it fits default.
>>>
>>>> I do
>>>> feel though that if we do ship a messenger, there's no reason to stray
>>>> from the default Ubuntu client (empathy in this case).
>>>>
>>>
>>> We stray *heavily* from Ubuntu anymore. Generally, I don't think that
>>> should be used as an excuse. I also very strongly feel that Empathy is a
>>> step down from Pidgin feature-wise.
>>>
>>> So I say we axe a messenger for now. See if there's a backlash of any
>>> significance and look at this question again in Lucid in needed.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Cory K.
>>
>>
>> I agree with Cory, Empathy is not mature enough compared to Pidgin.
>> Even further, if we are deciding which IM app to ship by default, it
>> really does make sense to start wondering why shippin an IM client at
>> all. Studio setups dont need an IM, even worse... the pop
>> notifications and audio signals (they are turned on by default) break
>> the artists concentration.
>>
>> Luis
>
> To me this is rather a no brainer. We dont ship a networkmanager
> installed by default, why would we ship things that rely on it?Studio
> isnt meant to be an "internet" distro, its meant for creating things.
> Put it on the dvd, but not installed. simple IMHO.
>
> Jussi

I forgot about networkmanager. doh! having that in mind.. it is a
no-brainer indeed.

Luis