[Proposal] - No instant messenger in Ubuntu Studio.

[Cory K.]

On 10/20/2009 01:17 PM, Luis de Bethencourt wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Jussi Schultink<jussi01 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>    
>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Luis de Bethencourt<luisbg at ubuntu.com>  wrote:
>>      
>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Cory K.<coryisatm at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>        
>>>> On 10/19/2009 07:48 PM, Eric Hedekar wrote:
>>>>          
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Cory K.<coryisatm at gmail.com>    wrote:
>>>>>            
>>>>>> I /thought/ I expressed my disapproval w/Ubuntu switching to Empathy
>>>>>> over Pidgin early in the cycle but I mighta just ranted in IRC. :P
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In any case, the more I thought about asking Luke to switch it in our
>>>>>> seeds I thought about whether it really makes sense for Studio? A distro
>>>>>> that is *not* a desktop distro.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I propose we support/ship no client by default. Let the user apt-get
>>>>>> whatever they like.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please chime in on this so we can act quickly. (as I'm sure we're
>>>>>> totally up against a freeze or something)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>              
>>>>> IF there's still time, I'd support shipping Karmic without a
>>>>> messenger. The only downside is that we conduct much of the Ubuntu
>>>>> Studio work on IRC and shipping without any IRC client might send a
>>>>> slight anti-participatory signal to users (just a slight one).
>>>>>            
>>>> As Studio is and has been from it's inception meant to be used on
>>>> purpose-built, stand-alone systems I just don't feel it fits default.
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>>> I do
>>>>> feel though that if we do ship a messenger, there's no reason to stray
>>>>> from the default Ubuntu client (empathy in this case).
>>>>>
>>>>>            
>>>> We stray *heavily* from Ubuntu anymore. Generally, I don't think that
>>>> should be used as an excuse. I also very strongly feel that Empathy is a
>>>> step down from Pidgin feature-wise.
>>>>
>>>> So I say we axe a messenger for now. See if there's a backlash of any
>>>> significance and look at this question again in Lucid in needed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>
>>> I agree with Cory, Empathy is not mature enough compared to Pidgin.
>>> Even further, if we are deciding which IM app to ship by default, it
>>> really does make sense to start wondering why shippin an IM client at
>>> all. Studio setups dont need an IM, even worse... the pop
>>> notifications and audio signals (they are turned on by default) break
>>> the artists concentration.
>>>
>>>        
>> To me this is rather a no brainer. We dont ship a networkmanager
>> installed by default, why would we ship things that rely on it?Studio
>> isnt meant to be an "internet" distro, its meant for creating things.
>> Put it on the dvd, but not installed. simple IMHO.
>>      
> I forgot about networkmanager. doh! having that in mind.. it is a
> no-brainer indeed.
>    

Settled.

Luke, please remove Empathy and put Pidgin on the disks but not installed.


-Cory K.