Ubuntu server and cloud IRC consolidation

[Dustin Kirkland]

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu at kitterman.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 11, 2010 04:21:36 pm Dustin Kirkland wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu at kitterman.com>
> wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:28:28 am Mathias Gug wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> Excerpts from Dan Sheffner's message of Wed Aug 11 11:14:04 -0400 2010:
>> >> > I guess the only question I have is where do I ask questions about the
>> >> > KVM hypervisor, virsh, and vmbuilder commands? #ubuntu-server or
>> >> > #ubuntu-cloud? it would nice to have one room like #ubuntu-vm  for
>> >> > virtual machines that would include xen, kvm, virsh, virtualbox,
>> >> > eucalyptus, etc.
>> >>
>> >> As outlined in the proposal:
>> >>
>> >>   1) Development discussion happens in #ubuntu-devel
>> >>      * e.g. packaging, patching, debugging, development, etc.
>> >>
>> >>   2) Traditional server discussion happens in #ubuntu-server
>> >>      * e.g. running Ubuntu on your server hardware or in a * virtual
>> >>        machine, getting it installed, configuration/management of
>> >>        services, virtualization, etc.
>> >>
>> >>   3) New-age cloud server discussion happens in #ubuntu-cloud
>> >>      * e.g. running UEC private clouds, running Ubuntu * in EC2, cloud
>> >>        work loads, ensemble cloud magic, etc.
>> >>
>> >> #ubuntu-server seems the appropriate place to ask questions about KVM,
>> >> virsh and vmbuilder.
>> >
>> > I missed in the original proposal that development is now off topic in
>> > #ubuntu- server.  I object to this change.  #ubuntu-server has been a
>> > joint developer/user channel for a very long time now.  It's the one
>> > place in the Ubuntu project where users and developers are on the same
>> > channels (yes, some developers are on user channels, to help, but that's
>> > different).  We discussed this very change not very long ago and the
>> > consensus was not to change it.
>> >
>> > I feel like this change was slipped in with other changes about IRC
>> > channel consolidation and should have been (re) discussed separately
>> > (although honestly I don't see the need to revisit the discussion so
>> > soon).
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> I don't think anything really changes in #ubuntu-server, from a
>> development discussion perspective.  There's plenty of
>> development-related conversations that will continue in
>> #ubuntu-server, perfectly on-topic.  No one is getting kicked/banned
>> from there, and no one should get slapped on the wrist for talking
>> devel (in my opinion).
>>
>> I read Ahmed's proposition to really be about consolidating
>> cloud/virt/ensemble/ec2 channels into one -- simplifying the landscape
>> for those of us subscribed to all 4 and unraveling the maze for our
>> users seeking cloud-related support.
>>
>> The previous recent discussion you refer to, I think, was about
>> splitting #ubuntu-server and #ubuntu-server-devel.  As I remember it,
>> we, as a community, n'acked the creation/separation to
>> #ubuntu-server-devel, as we didn't want to divorce ourselves from our
>> user support channel.  I still agree with that sentiment, and I think
>> that's unchanged even in Ahmed's IRC realignment suggestion.
>
> Then I'm a little unclear what Mathiaz' point #1 is about then.  "Development
> discussion happens in #ubuntu-devel" seems pretty clear to me.

I think it's pretty clear, and 100% true.  Development discussion
does, in fact, happen in #ubuntu-devel.

I haven't seen anything forbidding development discussion happening in
#ubuntu-server.

Have you gotten that impression?  Does the above policy deserve some
clarification?  Perhaps that "general" Ubuntu development discussion
should land in #ubuntu-devel, while Server-specific development
discussion is encouraged (or belongs) in #ubuntu-server.  That's just
status quo, as far as I'm concerned, though.

:-Dustin