Ubuntu server and cloud IRC consolidation

[Scott Kitterman]

On Wednesday, August 11, 2010 04:21:36 pm Dustin Kirkland wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu at kitterman.com> 
wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:28:28 am Mathias Gug wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> Excerpts from Dan Sheffner's message of Wed Aug 11 11:14:04 -0400 2010:
> >> > I guess the only question I have is where do I ask questions about the
> >> > KVM hypervisor, virsh, and vmbuilder commands? #ubuntu-server or
> >> > #ubuntu-cloud? it would nice to have one room like #ubuntu-vm  for
> >> > virtual machines that would include xen, kvm, virsh, virtualbox,
> >> > eucalyptus, etc.
> >> 
> >> As outlined in the proposal:
> >> 
> >>   1) Development discussion happens in #ubuntu-devel
> >>      * e.g. packaging, patching, debugging, development, etc.
> >> 
> >>   2) Traditional server discussion happens in #ubuntu-server
> >>      * e.g. running Ubuntu on your server hardware or in a * virtual
> >>        machine, getting it installed, configuration/management of
> >>        services, virtualization, etc.
> >> 
> >>   3) New-age cloud server discussion happens in #ubuntu-cloud
> >>      * e.g. running UEC private clouds, running Ubuntu * in EC2, cloud
> >>        work loads, ensemble cloud magic, etc.
> >> 
> >> #ubuntu-server seems the appropriate place to ask questions about KVM,
> >> virsh and vmbuilder.
> > 
> > I missed in the original proposal that development is now off topic in
> > #ubuntu- server.  I object to this change.  #ubuntu-server has been a
> > joint developer/user channel for a very long time now.  It's the one
> > place in the Ubuntu project where users and developers are on the same
> > channels (yes, some developers are on user channels, to help, but that's
> > different).  We discussed this very change not very long ago and the
> > consensus was not to change it.
> > 
> > I feel like this change was slipped in with other changes about IRC
> > channel consolidation and should have been (re) discussed separately
> > (although honestly I don't see the need to revisit the discussion so
> > soon).
> 
> Scott,
> 
> I don't think anything really changes in #ubuntu-server, from a
> development discussion perspective.  There's plenty of
> development-related conversations that will continue in
> #ubuntu-server, perfectly on-topic.  No one is getting kicked/banned
> from there, and no one should get slapped on the wrist for talking
> devel (in my opinion).
> 
> I read Ahmed's proposition to really be about consolidating
> cloud/virt/ensemble/ec2 channels into one -- simplifying the landscape
> for those of us subscribed to all 4 and unraveling the maze for our
> users seeking cloud-related support.
> 
> The previous recent discussion you refer to, I think, was about
> splitting #ubuntu-server and #ubuntu-server-devel.  As I remember it,
> we, as a community, n'acked the creation/separation to
> #ubuntu-server-devel, as we didn't want to divorce ourselves from our
> user support channel.  I still agree with that sentiment, and I think
> that's unchanged even in Ahmed's IRC realignment suggestion.

Then I'm a little unclear what Mathiaz' point #1 is about then.  "Development 
discussion happens in #ubuntu-devel" seems pretty clear to me.

Scott K