[ubuntu-my] Ubuntu ditches X for Wayland?

Wed Dec 8 04:41:33 GMT 2010

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On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:41 PM, najmi.zabidi at gmail.com
<najmi.zabidi at gmail.com> wrote:
> And finally the FOSS people fire up the Mac OS X for the FOSS slides
> and presentations.
> Hardly to easy Ubuntu on stages.
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
> <msiantuxlover at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Generally Enterprise users are a pretty boring bunch of people. They
>> want their stuff to work all the time. Fancy stuff like Compiz looks
>> good but it's like pr0n, elicits emotional responses but totally
>> lacking in substance. I usually disables COmpiz on my work notebook.
>> Too distracting....
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Ghodmode <ghodmode at ghodmode.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
>>> <msiantuxlover at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> RH and Novell each has a different approach to business. RH positions
>>>> itself as an Open Source Software vendor hile Novell is a mixed-source
>>>> organisation. Novell does a lot of closed-source things as well.
>>>
>>> I noticed in an article about Wayland at Phoronix
>>> (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=xorg_wayland&num=1) that
>>> the Wayland project was started by someone from RedHat.  It's not a RedHat
>>> project, but it still wouldn't surprise me if RedHat took a renewed interest
>>> in Wayland after Canonical.
>>>
>>> Does this really matter to enterprise users, though?  They wouldn't care
>>> about GL-based features on a file / email / web / database server, would
>>> they?
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> While it would have been awesome for a marriage between the 2, it will
>>>> be legally impossible. The merging of No. 1 and No. 2 Enterprise Linux
>>>> vendors will definitely be stopped by the Department of Justice in the
>>>> US. So a merger will definitely be out of the question.
>>>>
>>>> Novell has close working relationships with Microsoft, IBM, VMWare and
>>>> SAP. In fact there is a specially version of SLES for SAP if cutomers
>>>> would like to deploy Linux with SAP.
>>>>
>>>> Wayland seems to be an interesting project.
>>>>
>>>> There are already some suggestions in the ML that perhaps a Wayland
>>>> option should be made available in openSUSE 12 or SLED/SLES 12. So far
>>>> it's still only talk but let us see how things go.
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:52 AM, starconsultancy
>>>> <f.van.der.star at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> >
>>>> > In reaction of the last article I am wondering why RH and Novell are not
>>>> > sticking
>>>> > together.
>>>> >
>>>> > Nowadays a lot of software-giants are married or engaged to each other.
>>>> >
>>>> > For instance: Oracle with MS; Navision with MS and there is probably
>>>> > soon
>>>> > a party with SAP and MS.
>>>> >
>>>> > In that grass-root thing there are fortunately a lot of grass-hoppers.
>>>> > Mostly consumers.
>>>> >
>>>> > As far as Wayland (or Neverland or whatever Land) I have no clue. All
>>>> > that I
>>>> > know that
>>>> > the "new" Gnome-Desktop has been postponed for many times. And it seems
>>>> > that
>>>> > this
>>>> > application is not so convenient for the Mobile phones. Hence perhaps
>>>> > the
>>>> > decision of
>>>> > Canonical to change to this new Land.
>>>> >
>>>> > Last but not least also Canonical and Novell have engagements with MS.
>>>> > It is
>>>> > inevitable
>>>> > in order to survive. Faits accomplis as the French Linux-users would
>>>> > say.
>>>> >
>>>> > Hopefully RH will cool his head and Novell will have a nice topic for
>>>> > the
>>>> > future in its "novel".
>>>> >
>>>> > Kind regards
>>>> >
>>>> > Frans
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
>>>> > <msiantuxlover at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The Enterprise Linux market is owned by RH and Novell. While Ubuntu
>>>> >> has a lot of traction among Linux users, it is still essentially still
>>>> >> more well known as a casual OS. So for it to change to Wayland, they
>>>> >> will have lesser baggage to content with.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Until there is a brick and mortar office presence and suits associated
>>>> >> to it, sadly Ubuntu while an excellent distro will still be more of a
>>>> >> grass-root thing.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Eric
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:21 AM, najmi.zabidi at gmail.com
>>>> >> <najmi.zabidi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> > Kinda like the simple UI that it has.
>>>> >> > Also if look at the few other screenshots, it will give more appeal
>>>> >> > to
>>>> >> > the Mac OS X users for transition. (usually the other way around, for
>>>> >> > extra machine).
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
>>>> >> > <msiantuxlover at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >> No necessary a bad thing. X.org/X11 has had its place in the sun. I
>>>> >> >> dont have good visibility on Waylan'd but a change will be good.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Unsure that how existing Enterprise Linux users will react to this.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Eric
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 6:37 PM, najmi.zabidi at gmail.com
>>>> >> >> <najmi.zabidi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >>> Hi,
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/551
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> http://www.cio.com.au/article/367050/ubuntu_risky_leap_unity_wayland/
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> http://www.itworld.com/open-source/128540/ubuntus-unity-interface-what-expect
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Do you think you'll stick to use Gnome or Unity instead for
>>>> >> >>> default?
>>>> >> >>>
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