[ubuntu-my] Ubuntu ditches X for Wayland?

Wed Dec 8 08:43:47 GMT 2010

Well there are many who swears by FOSS but prefer Windows or Mac.
Using Mac for FOSS advocacy is like using nuclear weapons to promote
world peace. Same level as George W Bush....

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:41 PM, najmi.zabidi at gmail.com
<najmi.zabidi at gmail.com> wrote:
> And finally the FOSS people fire up the Mac OS X for the FOSS slides
> and presentations.
> Hardly to easy Ubuntu on stages.
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
> <msiantuxlover at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Generally Enterprise users are a pretty boring bunch of people. They
>> want their stuff to work all the time. Fancy stuff like Compiz looks
>> good but it's like pr0n, elicits emotional responses but totally
>> lacking in substance. I usually disables COmpiz on my work notebook.
>> Too distracting....
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Ghodmode <ghodmode at ghodmode.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
>>> <msiantuxlover at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> RH and Novell each has a different approach to business. RH positions
>>>> itself as an Open Source Software vendor hile Novell is a mixed-source
>>>> organisation. Novell does a lot of closed-source things as well.
>>>
>>> I noticed in an article about Wayland at Phoronix
>>> (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=xorg_wayland&num=1) that
>>> the Wayland project was started by someone from RedHat.  It's not a RedHat
>>> project, but it still wouldn't surprise me if RedHat took a renewed interest
>>> in Wayland after Canonical.
>>>
>>> Does this really matter to enterprise users, though?  They wouldn't care
>>> about GL-based features on a file / email / web / database server, would
>>> they?
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> While it would have been awesome for a marriage between the 2, it will
>>>> be legally impossible. The merging of No. 1 and No. 2 Enterprise Linux
>>>> vendors will definitely be stopped by the Department of Justice in the
>>>> US. So a merger will definitely be out of the question.
>>>>
>>>> Novell has close working relationships with Microsoft, IBM, VMWare and
>>>> SAP. In fact there is a specially version of SLES for SAP if cutomers
>>>> would like to deploy Linux with SAP.
>>>>
>>>> Wayland seems to be an interesting project.
>>>>
>>>> There are already some suggestions in the ML that perhaps a Wayland
>>>> option should be made available in openSUSE 12 or SLED/SLES 12. So far
>>>> it's still only talk but let us see how things go.
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:52 AM, starconsultancy
>>>> <f.van.der.star at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> >
>>>> > In reaction of the last article I am wondering why RH and Novell are not
>>>> > sticking
>>>> > together.
>>>> >
>>>> > Nowadays a lot of software-giants are married or engaged to each other.
>>>> >
>>>> > For instance: Oracle with MS; Navision with MS and there is probably
>>>> > soon
>>>> > a party with SAP and MS.
>>>> >
>>>> > In that grass-root thing there are fortunately a lot of grass-hoppers.
>>>> > Mostly consumers.
>>>> >
>>>> > As far as Wayland (or Neverland or whatever Land) I have no clue. All
>>>> > that I
>>>> > know that
>>>> > the "new" Gnome-Desktop has been postponed for many times. And it seems
>>>> > that
>>>> > this
>>>> > application is not so convenient for the Mobile phones. Hence perhaps
>>>> > the
>>>> > decision of
>>>> > Canonical to change to this new Land.
>>>> >
>>>> > Last but not least also Canonical and Novell have engagements with MS.
>>>> > It is
>>>> > inevitable
>>>> > in order to survive. Faits accomplis as the French Linux-users would
>>>> > say.
>>>> >
>>>> > Hopefully RH will cool his head and Novell will have a nice topic for
>>>> > the
>>>> > future in its "novel".
>>>> >
>>>> > Kind regards
>>>> >
>>>> > Frans
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
>>>> > <msiantuxlover at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The Enterprise Linux market is owned by RH and Novell. While Ubuntu
>>>> >> has a lot of traction among Linux users, it is still essentially still
>>>> >> more well known as a casual OS. So for it to change to Wayland, they
>>>> >> will have lesser baggage to content with.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Until there is a brick and mortar office presence and suits associated
>>>> >> to it, sadly Ubuntu while an excellent distro will still be more of a
>>>> >> grass-root thing.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Eric
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:21 AM, najmi.zabidi at gmail.com
>>>> >> <najmi.zabidi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> > Kinda like the simple UI that it has.
>>>> >> > Also if look at the few other screenshots, it will give more appeal
>>>> >> > to
>>>> >> > the Mac OS X users for transition. (usually the other way around, for
>>>> >> > extra machine).
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
>>>> >> > <msiantuxlover at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >> No necessary a bad thing. X.org/X11 has had its place in the sun. I
>>>> >> >> dont have good visibility on Waylan'd but a change will be good.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Unsure that how existing Enterprise Linux users will react to this.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Eric
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 6:37 PM, najmi.zabidi at gmail.com
>>>> >> >> <najmi.zabidi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >>> Hi,
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/551
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> http://www.cio.com.au/article/367050/ubuntu_risky_leap_unity_wayland/
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> http://www.itworld.com/open-source/128540/ubuntus-unity-interface-what-expect
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Do you think you'll stick to use Gnome or Unity instead for
>>>> >> >>> default?
>>>> >> >>>
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