[ubuntu-my] Ubuntu ditches X for Wayland?

Wed Dec 8 04:41:02 GMT 2010

And finally the FOSS people fire up the Mac OS X for the FOSS slides
and presentations.
Hardly to easy Ubuntu on stages.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
<msiantuxlover at gmail.com> wrote:
> Generally Enterprise users are a pretty boring bunch of people. They
> want their stuff to work all the time. Fancy stuff like Compiz looks
> good but it's like pr0n, elicits emotional responses but totally
> lacking in substance. I usually disables COmpiz on my work notebook.
> Too distracting....
>
> Eric
>
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Ghodmode <ghodmode at ghodmode.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
>> <msiantuxlover at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> RH and Novell each has a different approach to business. RH positions
>>> itself as an Open Source Software vendor hile Novell is a mixed-source
>>> organisation. Novell does a lot of closed-source things as well.
>>
>> I noticed in an article about Wayland at Phoronix
>> (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=xorg_wayland&num=1) that
>> the Wayland project was started by someone from RedHat.  It's not a RedHat
>> project, but it still wouldn't surprise me if RedHat took a renewed interest
>> in Wayland after Canonical.
>>
>> Does this really matter to enterprise users, though?  They wouldn't care
>> about GL-based features on a file / email / web / database server, would
>> they?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> While it would have been awesome for a marriage between the 2, it will
>>> be legally impossible. The merging of No. 1 and No. 2 Enterprise Linux
>>> vendors will definitely be stopped by the Department of Justice in the
>>> US. So a merger will definitely be out of the question.
>>>
>>> Novell has close working relationships with Microsoft, IBM, VMWare and
>>> SAP. In fact there is a specially version of SLES for SAP if cutomers
>>> would like to deploy Linux with SAP.
>>>
>>> Wayland seems to be an interesting project.
>>>
>>> There are already some suggestions in the ML that perhaps a Wayland
>>> option should be made available in openSUSE 12 or SLED/SLES 12. So far
>>> it's still only talk but let us see how things go.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:52 AM, starconsultancy
>>> <f.van.der.star at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > In reaction of the last article I am wondering why RH and Novell are not
>>> > sticking
>>> > together.
>>> >
>>> > Nowadays a lot of software-giants are married or engaged to each other.
>>> >
>>> > For instance: Oracle with MS; Navision with MS and there is probably
>>> > soon
>>> > a party with SAP and MS.
>>> >
>>> > In that grass-root thing there are fortunately a lot of grass-hoppers.
>>> > Mostly consumers.
>>> >
>>> > As far as Wayland (or Neverland or whatever Land) I have no clue. All
>>> > that I
>>> > know that
>>> > the "new" Gnome-Desktop has been postponed for many times. And it seems
>>> > that
>>> > this
>>> > application is not so convenient for the Mobile phones. Hence perhaps
>>> > the
>>> > decision of
>>> > Canonical to change to this new Land.
>>> >
>>> > Last but not least also Canonical and Novell have engagements with MS.
>>> > It is
>>> > inevitable
>>> > in order to survive. Faits accomplis as the French Linux-users would
>>> > say.
>>> >
>>> > Hopefully RH will cool his head and Novell will have a nice topic for
>>> > the
>>> > future in its "novel".
>>> >
>>> > Kind regards
>>> >
>>> > Frans
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
>>> > <msiantuxlover at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> The Enterprise Linux market is owned by RH and Novell. While Ubuntu
>>> >> has a lot of traction among Linux users, it is still essentially still
>>> >> more well known as a casual OS. So for it to change to Wayland, they
>>> >> will have lesser baggage to content with.
>>> >>
>>> >> Until there is a brick and mortar office presence and suits associated
>>> >> to it, sadly Ubuntu while an excellent distro will still be more of a
>>> >> grass-root thing.
>>> >>
>>> >> Eric
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:21 AM, najmi.zabidi at gmail.com
>>> >> <najmi.zabidi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> > Kinda like the simple UI that it has.
>>> >> > Also if look at the few other screenshots, it will give more appeal
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > the Mac OS X users for transition. (usually the other way around, for
>>> >> > extra machine).
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
>>> >> > <msiantuxlover at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> No necessary a bad thing. X.org/X11 has had its place in the sun. I
>>> >> >> dont have good visibility on Waylan'd but a change will be good.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Unsure that how existing Enterprise Linux users will react to this.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Eric
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 6:37 PM, najmi.zabidi at gmail.com
>>> >> >> <najmi.zabidi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >>> Hi,
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/551
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> http://www.cio.com.au/article/367050/ubuntu_risky_leap_unity_wayland/
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> http://www.itworld.com/open-source/128540/ubuntus-unity-interface-what-expect
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Do you think you'll stick to use Gnome or Unity instead for
>>> >> >>> default?
>>> >> >>>
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