[ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians
Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise
fryshadow at gmail.com
Tue Mar 24 01:06:04 GMT 2009
Open source is free.. deep into that, the code is free.. I think the term to
make a profit is not suitable, If we provide a service then that should come
into some $$$ instead the software that we used.. Canonical itself selling
product same as like BSD community, they sell t-shirt, cd, poster and etc..
using the brand (BSD, Ubuntu).
As a community maybe we should not pay for a particular person instead put
some $$ for activity, that should be nice :)
$0.002
2009/3/24 zarul shahrin <zarulshahrin at gmail.com>
> Most of the successful people that I met were rich because they did what
> they love to do and not because they want to make money from it. I remember
> watching a computer science lecture video. The professor mentioned about how
> many people came to study computer science at Berkeley for the sake of
> making a lot of money and not because they love the subject. Guess what? Can
> be said all of them met a dead end according to the professor. This is not
> something surprising for me though. As the exact same thing was told to me
> by the people that I met.
>
> But, if you do things because you love it, I doubt you have to be worried
> about the $$$$. It will come to you by itself if you put enough hard work to
> what you love to do. I am willing to bet, whatever you do with the money but
> not passion and love as the sole purpose will fail. I have seen it in the
> past, and I am very sure it will be the same.
>
> Ubuntu Community is a non-profit community that comes with COC and so on.
> It's not a community that we inherited from our parents and able to do
> anything as we like. No, we don't have that freedom.
>
> Unless you are an Ubuntu Member and have gone through all the trouble to
> become one, you most likely won't understand my concern and what I am trying
> to say here and it will be pointless for me to explain.
>
> I will be happy if I see any of you here make a fortune through this
> community. But I am afraid that I will more likely to see you guys having
> hard time answering questions by either the Canonical or the Community
> Council or worst case scenario, face a lawsuit rather than making money. If
> that happens, who is there to blame?
>
> Please take a few minutes and answer this question, what is the main reason
> why we are here in the community? To contribute as much as we can to the
> community because we love to do it, or because we have our own agenda.
>
> I am sorry if my message offended anyone. I just want to be clear about it.
>
>
>
> 2008/6/19 Eric Seidlitz <seidlitz at gmail.com>
>
> Zarul,
>>
>> So if I get this right, you think that your tenure as head of this community is a failure because someone expressed an interest in making some money off of open source?
>>
>>
>> As for me, I have no interest in trying to profit off of the wonderful world of open source software (seems kind of counter-cultural), but if someone wants to try, let 'em.
>>
>> If I were you, I would take pride in your leadership of this group, that it has come so far that people are dreaming of the possibilities of making a living in the open source community.
>>
>>
>> Just my $0.02.
>>
>> Eric
>>
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>> 1. Re: Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (Tho Man)
>>
>>
>> 2. Re: Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (Donald P Kong)
>> 3. Re: Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (zarul shahrin)
>> 4. Re: Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (Altaf Jauhar)
>>
>>
>> 5. Re: Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 18, Issue 3 (Pepper Lim)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:32:53 +0800
>> From: "Tho Man" <shuhaimie at gmail.com> <shuhaimie at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians
>> To: "Malaysian Team Mailing List" <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com> <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>
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>> this would be nice....i like to join but my time is limited....may be we can
>> have a brainstorming online how we can tap a market on this.
>> why not start a google group and we can discuss bout this...
>> make money is always something good to me..hehehehe...
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Pepper Lim <pepperlim at 3people.org> <pepperlim at 3people.org> wrote:
>>
>> > I'm not sure if I'm going about this correctly. I couldn't find the
>>
>> > rules for posting at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my
>> > so forgive me if this posting is inappropriate.
>>
>> >
>> > I've been thinking of a plan to bring Ubuntu and open source software to
>> > Malaysians and Malaysian companies. It comprises of a business plan
>> > (making money while we have fun kicking Microsoft's butt) and a few
>> > other ideas.
>> >
>> > I would be interested to meet anyone else who would like to brainstorm
>> > this idea. Please email me at pepperlim at 3people.org or call me at
>>
>> > 012-2951245
>> >
>> > --
>> > --
>> > Pepper Lim
>> > 012-2951245
>> > pepperlim at 3people.org
>> > Pepper's "Lim Family Tree" http://www.3people.org/limfamilytree
>>
>> > BBBS Old Boys' Association website http://www.3people.org/bbbssoba
>> >
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>> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:22:24 +0800
>> From: Donald P Kong <dpkong at pc.jaring.my> <dpkong at pc.jaring.my>
>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians
>>
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>> there is no shortage of people trying to make money from open-source...
>>
>> what are your plans? can you not share them here? or are you here to
>> scour for ideas and implement them in your own time to your own benefit?
>>
>>
>> we have many groups scattered around Malaysia who are actively promoting
>> open-source and Ubuntu for free. while monetary returns would be
>> desirable, it should not be the main driving factor.
>>
>> nevertheless, i would be happy to listen to your proposals to encourage
>>
>>
>> the usage of open-source and Ubuntu.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 16:09 +0800, Pepper Lim wrote:
>>
>> > I'm not sure if I'm going about this correctly. I couldn't find the
>>
>> > rules for posting at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my
>> > so forgive me if this posting is inappropriate.
>>
>> >
>> > I've been thinking of a plan to bring Ubuntu and open source software to
>> > Malaysians and Malaysian companies. It comprises of a business plan
>> > (making money while we have fun kicking Microsoft's butt) and a few
>> > other ideas.
>> >
>> > I would be interested to meet anyone else who would like to brainstorm
>> > this idea. Please email me at pepperlim at 3people.org or call me at
>>
>> > 012-2951245
>> >
>> > --
>> > --
>> > Pepper Lim
>> > 012-2951245
>> > pepperlim at 3people.org
>> > Pepper's "Lim Family Tree" http://www.3people.org/limfamilytree
>>
>> > BBBS Old Boys' Association website http://www.3people.org/bbbssoba
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>>
>> -------%%@
>>
>> Donald P Kong
>> +6019-887-7337
>> +6016-809-7227
>>
>> http://nanasbarat.dyndns.org
>>
>> http://www.foss-solutions.com
>> http://www.kuchingosc.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:38:26 +0800
>> From: "zarul shahrin" <zarulshahrin at gmail.com> <zarulshahrin at gmail.com>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians
>> To: "Malaysian Team Mailing List" <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com> <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>
>>
>> Message-ID:
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>> How sad, I think I am no longer have heart for the community, I am proud
>> that I founded the group and built it from zero, well, we might not be as
>> active as the group from other countries but getting this far is already
>>
>>
>> beyond my expectation. Anyway, this group is getting bigger I will let
>> people who are more active like Nicholas, mypapit and e-jat to take over
>> the leadership. I want to see the community grow, I really want to lead the
>>
>>
>> group , but for the past 1-2 years when the group is getting bigger,I
>> realized that I am holding a different ideology than many people that make
>> my objective for the group is something not relevant. I don't think many
>>
>>
>> people will agree with me.
>>
>> So I think the best way is for me to pass the leadership to others. I am
>> sorry that I am failing some of you here, but when I founded the group, I
>> wasn't dreaming having a big community and make profit from it. I did it
>>
>>
>> because I fell in love of Ubuntu and back then it wasn't as famous as now
>> and people contribute as they like, no commitment and nobody will force
>> anyone to do anything, it's a free community in a free cyber world, but
>>
>>
>> things changed... Nothing is free anymore, the community has adopted a
>> businessman way of thinking. Open Source is no longer something you do for
>> fun in your free time. It has become a business where you need to be fully
>>
>>
>> committed. Well, it's true this way of thinking will give you the chance to
>> profit from it. But, that's against my belief, the open source religion
>> which I once was a devoted follower. Things changed, I don't want to be the
>>
>>
>> barrier to anyone with my narrow mindedness.
>>
>> I am not putting away the principle that I've been upholding, I built the
>> group, no matter how bad/suck I am as a leader, I have achieved what I
>> wanted, to take it from nothing to where It is now, though some might claim
>>
>>
>> that I did nothing. But it's now no longer relevant to me... The group is no
>> longer my group , the group is no longer carrying the same teaching of a
>> religion that I was once a follower.
>>
>> I wish the people who will take over the leadership will take care of the
>>
>>
>> group well, we might have a different ideology, but I will still give my
>> support at least as an ex-follower of the so called free software movement,
>> a religion which is no longer valid to me. I wish you guys all the best, and
>>
>>
>> I would like to apologize for anything bad I have done. I believe you guys
>> will be able to give a new light to the group with your style of leadership
>> and I hope that everyone will learn something from my mistake as a leader.
>>
>>
>> Nicholas, thank you for being with me from day one. I was hoping that you
>> will take over the leadership, but I understand that you have your own
>> commitment.
>>
>> As for the rest of you, thank you for supporting Ubuntu Malaysia and for
>>
>>
>> making it where it is now.
>>
>>
>> p/s: I will send an email out to some of you guys in few days time regarding
>> the leadership of the group.
>>
>>
>> Zarul
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Donald P Kong <dpkong at pc.jaring.my> <dpkong at pc.jaring.my> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > there is no shortage of people trying to make money from open-source...
>> >
>> > what are your plans? can you not share them here? or are you here to
>>
>> > scour for ideas and implement them in your own time to your own benefit?
>> >
>> > we have many groups scattered around Malaysia who are actively promoting
>> > open-source and Ubuntu for free. while monetary returns would be
>> > desirable, it should not be the main driving factor.
>> >
>> > nevertheless, i would be happy to listen to your proposals to encourage
>> > the usage of open-source and Ubuntu.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 16:09 +0800, Pepper Lim wrote:
>>
>> > > I'm not sure if I'm going about this correctly. I couldn't find the
>> > > rules for posting at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my
>>
>> > > so forgive me if this posting is inappropriate.
>> > >
>> > > I've been thinking of a plan to bring Ubuntu and open source software to
>> > > Malaysians and Malaysian companies. It comprises of a business plan
>> > > (making money while we have fun kicking Microsoft's butt) and a few
>> > > other ideas.
>> > >
>> > > I would be interested to meet anyone else who would like to brainstorm
>> > > this idea. Please email me at pepperlim at 3people.org or call me at
>> > > 012-2951245
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > --
>> > > Pepper Lim
>> > > 012-2951245
>> > > pepperlim at 3people.org
>> > > Pepper's "Lim Family Tree" http://www.3people.org/limfamilytree
>>
>> > > BBBS Old Boys' Association website http://www.3people.org/bbbssoba
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>> > --
>> >
>> > -------%%@
>> >
>> > Donald P Kong
>> > +6019-887-7337
>> > +6016-809-7227
>> >
>> > http://nanasbarat.dyndns.org
>> > http://www.foss-solutions.com
>>
>> > http://www.kuchingosc.org
>> >
>> >
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>> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:32:26 +0800
>> From: Altaf Jauhar <althelix at gmail.com> <althelix at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians
>>
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>> ubuntu-my should be working under bigger malaysian user groups such as
>> MyPenguin99. Alot of users under the group are ubuntu users... splitting
>>
>>
>> into another group is not good. we need to coperate and team up to
>> create a larger group. devide and we'll fall. combine and we'll grow.
>>
>> ahh... zarul..... you should just continue to be the leader... a person
>>
>>
>> who started it should be the leader... coz you have the real spirit and
>> understand the true meaning of creating the group in the first place.
>>
>> btw, we should not fight 'microsoft' anymore..... it is more like linux
>>
>>
>> and microsoft will co-exist whether we like it or not. microsoft have
>> been doing alot of changes lately... and one of it is to 'accept' linux
>> and oss. that's why if you see projects like mono have not yet been
>>
>>
>> 'banned' from the scene.
>>
>> honestly, i'm not a fulltime ubuntu nerd.. i'm more of a slackware nerd.
>> but, i think ubuntu is cool and is the best thing a non-geek can get his
>> or her hands on - if he/she wants to give linux a try. he'll/she'll be
>>
>>
>> running linux in no time.. and enjoying it. 1 more thing, it must not
>> just be ubuntu. it should be including all its variant: kubuntu,
>> edubuntu, xubuntu.... coz not all ppl will like gnome (i'm a xfce and
>>
>>
>> kde guy myself).
>>
>> ok. thats all for now.
>>
>> regards,
>> he]ix.
>>
>>
>>
>> zarul shahrin wrote:
>>
>> > How sad, I think I am no longer have heart for the community, I am
>>
>> > proud that I founded the group and built it from zero, well, we might
>> > not be as active as the group from other countries but getting this
>> > far is already beyond my expectation. Anyway, this group is getting
>> > bigger I will let people who are more active like Nicholas, mypapit
>> > and e-jat to take over the leadership. I want to see the community
>> > grow, I really want to lead the group , but for the past 1-2 years
>> > when the group is getting bigger,I realized that I am holding a
>> > different ideology than many people that make my objective for the
>> > group is something not relevant. I don't think many people will agree
>> > with me.
>> >
>> > So I think the best way is for me to pass the leadership to others. I
>> > am sorry that I am failing some of you here, but when I founded the
>> > group, I wasn't dreaming having a big community and make profit from
>> > it. I did it because I fell in love of Ubuntu and back then it wasn't
>> > as famous as now and people contribute as they like, no commitment and
>> > nobody will force anyone to do anything, it's a free community in a
>> > free cyber world, but things changed... Nothing is free anymore, the
>> > community has adopted a businessman way of thinking. Open Source is no
>> > longer something you do for fun in your free time. It has become a
>> > business where you need to be fully committed. Well, it's true this
>> > way of thinking will give you the chance to profit from it. But,
>> > that's against my belief, the open source religion which I once was a
>> > devoted follower. Things changed, I don't want to be the barrier to
>> > anyone with my narrow mindedness.
>> >
>> > I am not putting away the principle that I've been upholding, I built
>> > the group, no matter how bad/suck I am as a leader, I have achieved
>> > what I wanted, to take it from nothing to where It is now, though some
>> > might claim that I did nothing. But it's now no longer relevant to
>> > me... The group is no longer my group , the group is no longer
>> > carrying the same teaching of a religion that I was once a follower.
>> >
>> > I wish the people who will take over the leadership will take care of
>> > the group well, we might have a different ideology, but I will still
>> > give my support at least as an ex-follower of the so called free
>> > software movement, a religion which is no longer valid to me. I wish
>> > you guys all the best, and I would like to apologize for anything bad
>> > I have done. I believe you guys will be able to give a new light to
>> > the group with your style of leadership and I hope that everyone will
>> > learn something from my mistake as a leader. Nicholas, thank you for
>> > being with me from day one. I was hoping that you will take over the
>> > leadership, but I understand that you have your own commitment.
>> >
>> > As for the rest of you, thank you for supporting Ubuntu Malaysia and
>> > for making it where it is now.
>> >
>> >
>> > p/s: I will send an email out to some of you guys in few days time
>> > regarding the leadership of the group.
>> >
>> >
>> > Zarul
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Donald P Kong <dpkong at pc.jaring.my
>>
>> > <mailto:dpkong at pc.jaring.my> <dpkong at pc.jaring.my>> wrote:
>> >
>> > there is no shortage of people trying to make money from
>>
>> > open-source...
>> >
>> > what are your plans? can you not share them here? or are you here to
>> > scour for ideas and implement them in your own time to your own
>> > benefit?
>> >
>> > we have many groups scattered around Malaysia who are actively
>>
>> > promoting
>> > open-source and Ubuntu for free. while monetary returns would be
>> > desirable, it should not be the main driving factor.
>> >
>> > nevertheless, i would be happy to listen to your proposals to
>> > encourage
>> > the usage of open-source and Ubuntu.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 16:09 +0800, Pepper Lim wrote:
>> > > I'm not sure if I'm going about this correctly. I couldn't find the
>> > > rules for posting at
>> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my
>>
>> > > so forgive me if this posting is inappropriate.
>> > >
>> > > I've been thinking of a plan to bring Ubuntu and open source
>> > software to
>> > > Malaysians and Malaysian companies. It comprises of a business plan
>> > > (making money while we have fun kicking Microsoft's butt) and a few
>>
>> > > other ideas.
>> > >
>> > > I would be interested to meet anyone else who would like to
>> > brainstorm
>> > > this idea. Please email me at pepperlim at 3people.org
>> > <mailto:pepperlim at 3people.org> <pepperlim at 3people.org> or call me at
>> > > 012-2951245
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > --
>> > > Pepper Lim
>> > > 012-2951245
>> > > pepperlim at 3people.org <mailto:pepperlim at 3people.org> <pepperlim at 3people.org>
>>
>> > > Pepper's "Lim Family Tree" http://www.3people.org/limfamilytree
>> > > BBBS Old Boys' Association website http://www.3people.org/bbbssoba
>>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > --
>> >
>> > -------%%@
>> >
>> > Donald P Kong
>> > +6019-887-7337
>> > +6016-809-7227
>> >
>> > http://nanasbarat.dyndns.org
>> > http://www.foss-solutions.com
>>
>> > http://www.kuchingosc.org
>> >
>> >
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:02:51 +0800
>>
>> From: Pepper Lim <pepperlim at 3people.org> <pepperlim at 3people.org>
>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 18, Issue 3
>> To: ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com
>>
>>
>> Message-ID: <485A2ECB.1050605 at 3people.org> <485A2ECB.1050605 at 3people.org>
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>> Thanks for the early responses. I'll wait another day for anyone else
>>
>>
>> who might want to brainstorm with us.
>>
>> Just to give you some idea of what I have in mind, we will be making
>> money. Oh, yes, money making is a big part of my plans. I've come to the
>> conclusion that without money, we can't put this plan out effectively.
>>
>>
>> Anyway, I got the idea from Mark Shuttleworth...
>>
>>
>> ubuntu-my-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote:
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>> > Today's Topics:
>> >
>> > 1. Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (Pepper Lim)
>> > 2. Re: Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (Mohd Faizul )
>> > 3. Re: Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (ApOgEE)
>> > 4. Re: Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (Ong hean kuan)
>> >
>> >
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>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:09:04 +0800
>> > From: Pepper Lim <pepperlim at 3people.org> <pepperlim at 3people.org>
>>
>> > Subject: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians
>> > To: ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com
>> > Message-ID: <4858C2A0.8070808 at 3people.org> <4858C2A0.8070808 at 3people.org>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>> >
>> > I'm not sure if I'm going about this correctly. I couldn't find the
>> > rules for posting at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my
>>
>> > so forgive me if this posting is inappropriate.
>> >
>> > I've been thinking of a plan to bring Ubuntu and open source software to
>> > Malaysians and Malaysian companies. It comprises of a business plan
>> > (making money while we have fun kicking Microsoft's butt) and a few
>> > other ideas.
>> >
>> > I would be interested to meet anyone else who would like to brainstorm
>> > this idea. Please email me at pepperlim at 3people.org or call me at
>> > 012-2951245
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Pepper Lim
>> 012-2951245
>> pepperlim at 3people.org
>>
>> Pepper's "Lim Family Tree" http://www.3people.org/limfamilytree
>> BBBS Old Boys' Association website http://www.3people.org/bbbssoba
>>
>>
>>
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