How sad, I think I am no longer have heart for the community, I am proud that I founded the group and built it from zero, well, we might not be as active as the group from other countries but getting this far is already beyond my expectation. Anyway, this group is getting bigger I will let people who are more active like  Nicholas, mypapit and e-jat to take over the leadership. I want to see the community grow, I really want to lead the group , but for the past 1-2 years when the group is getting bigger,I realized that I am holding a different ideology than many people that make my objective for the group is something not relevant. I don't think many people will agree with me. So I think the best way is for me to pass the leadership to others. I am sorry that I am failing some of you here, but when I founded the group, I wasn't dreaming having a big community and make profit from it. I did it because I fell in love of Ubuntu and back then it wasn't as famous as now and people contribute as they like, no commitment and nobody will force anyone to do anything, it's a free community in a free cyber world, but things changed... Nothing is free anymore, the community has adopted a businessman way of thinking. Open Source is no longer something you do for fun in your free time. It has become a business where you need to be fully committed. Well, it's true this way of thinking will give you the chance to profit from it. But, that's against my belief, the open source religion which I once was a devoted follower. Things changed, I don't want to be the barrier to anyone with my narrow mindedness. I am not putting away the principle that I've been upholding, I built the group, no matter how bad/suck I am as a leader, I have achieved what I wanted, to take it from nothing to where It is now, though some might claim that I did nothing. But it's now no longer relevant to me... The group is no longer my group , the group is no longer carrying the same teaching of a religion that I was once a follower. I wish the people who will take over the leadership will take care of the group well, we might have a different ideology, but I will still give my support at least as an ex-follower of the so called free software movement, a religion which is no longer valid to me. I wish you guys all the best, and I would like to apologize for anything bad I have done. I believe you guys will be able to give a new light to the group with your style of leadership and I hope that everyone will learn something from my mistake as a leader. Nicholas, thank you for being with me from day one. I was hoping that you will take over the leadership, but I understand that you have your own commitment. As for the rest of you, thank you for supporting Ubuntu Malaysia and for making it where it is now. p/s: I will send an email out to some of you guys in few days time regarding the leadership of the group. Zarul <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Donald P Kong <<a href="mailto:dpkong@pc.jaring.my">dpkong@pc.jaring.my</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> there is no shortage of people trying to make money from open-source... what are your plans? can you not share them here? or are you here to scour for ideas and implement them in your own time to your own benefit? we have many groups scattered around Malaysia who are actively promoting open-source and Ubuntu for free. while monetary returns would be desirable, it should not be the main driving factor. nevertheless, i would be happy to listen to your proposals to encourage the usage of open-source and Ubuntu. <div class="Ih2E3d"> On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 16:09 +0800, Pepper Lim wrote: > I'm not sure if I'm going about this correctly. I couldn't find the > rules for posting at <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> > so forgive me if this posting is inappropriate. > > I've been thinking of a plan to bring Ubuntu and open source software to > Malaysians and Malaysian companies. It comprises of a business plan > (making money while we have fun kicking Microsoft's butt) and a few > other ideas. > > I would be interested to meet anyone else who would like to brainstorm > this idea. 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