[ubuntu-my] Fwd: Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 18, Issue 5

Sat Jun 21 16:58:35 BST 2008

Ohw no.. please don't. stop it Mohamad Faizul Zulkifli

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[mailto:ubuntu-my-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Mohamad Faizul
Zulkifli
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 9:02 PM
To: Malaysian Team Mailing List
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Fwd: Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 18, Issue 5

Maybe we should build poll for this
and meeting about it.
but i am very sure that gunblade is suitable to be our new leader

On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 1:31 AM, ApOgEE <jerungkun at gmail.com> wrote:

Why do people think politics sucks? People learn from lessons... When they
have encounter in front of their face that shit smells stinks, they will
pinch their nose when they see one... even something that looks alike.

As for me, I'm clear that only those politicians could color their own.
Whether to make it sucks or make it good.

Voting in the first place isn't involve politics. It does involve community
decisions. And that is democracy. Without voting, you may mistakenly make
decision that didn't fit the community or in malay words, "syok sendiri".
Politics comes next, when some guys think that he can get benefit from the
community by being a leader and then pretend that they are better to be
voted, create promises, lies and so on. We have eyes, we have ears, we have
sense to decide what is right and wrong. If we mistakenly voted a person who
cannot really do what he said or promise, we could also vote him down.
That's the community power.

I think I can grab Zarul's idea, to simply hand over the leadership to the
person who have already spending all their time working for the community.
The person who have already spent their time replying emails to people who
asked for their help. So, in order to justify who is that person, we should
count on everyone who meet that criteria.

Being a newbies in this community, I just wanna see this community growing
better, active and supportive like other LUGs in the world. I hope that you
will choose the right person who can spend his time to lead this great
community. I hope someday, people will recognize Ubuntu Malaysia among the
best Linux community in Asia, if not the best in the world.

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Mohd Faizul Zulkipli <gunbladeiv at gmail.com>
wrote:

Stop it Faizul.  Oh no, our name maybe same but I'm not interested in being
leader.  I just would like to contribute to the community as what I am
currently do right now,  I have to agree with wariola about election.  We
should practice democracy to elect the best leader.  And I have to agree
with Zarul's too, no politics in this community.

Show us what you can do instead of talking what you could do.

I'm voting for an election for the next leader to bring the community one
step forward.

From: ubuntu-my-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com
[mailto:ubuntu-my-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Mohamad Faizul
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 7:40 PM

To: Malaysian Team Mailing List

Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Fwd: Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 18, Issue 5

i think gunblade is suitable to be our new leader
anyone ?

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 11:26 AM, zarul shahrin <zarulshahrin at gmail.com>
wrote:

Hai

I have a thought about it, I don't really agree with this election thing..

One thing about election is, the better you talk and the better social
skills you have, then you will be a leader.. even if in reality, there are
more people spending all their time working for the community..
But these people are boring geeks, they don't organize BBQ instead they
spend their time replying emails to people who asked for their help.
Election is all about, how many you know instead of how much you have
contributed. Atleast, this is true in Malaysia.

I hate politics , most of the politicians are just good at making promises
and finding/spotting other people mistakes. They are good at making people
think they are angels, while the current leaders are Devils.  Most of them
don't care about the people, they just lied so that they can rise to power
and when they rise to power, you will realized how much of what they said
before were nothing more than lies so that they can be at the top...

I am sorry, but I don't wish to have politics or politician here... The kind
of leader that I dream of is a leader with a proven background, a background
in helping the people... I am stubborn person, I am no longer gonna be the
leader of this group, and it has already have much problem.. But I do not
wish to see it being a complete destruction... I might not be a good leader
and I learned a lot from my experience and pretty much tell me what kind of
person should lead this group.... I founded the local group, that something
you can't deny.. I am not boasting.. but that's fact... as a founder,  I
don't want to see what I started being destroyed, I am willing to go because
I think I am not good enough or have enough experience to lead this group
anymore, and I wish someone who is more experienced to lead the group and
not someone who is popular but lacking in term of experience and knowledge
and skills of a leader..

I am going to come out with the list of people who have been contributing
and supporting Ubuntu for the past few years.. they are not popular people,
but they are old and experienced enough to lead the group...  I normally
don't use my power to decide, but this will be the first and the last for
me.. For the good of this community...

Zarul

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:29 PM, Syamsul Anuar <anuar at vastalux.com.my>
wrote:

Salam / Greetings All,

Zarul, Thanks for all your contribution and we respect your decision.
Its time for the new leadership to take your legacy and move forward the
Ubuntu Malaysia community towards better tomorrow.

I for one suggest there should be an election for new leadership,
complete with some campaigning as I think the Malaysia general public
nowadays dont embrace "peralihan kuasa" (read: something got to do with
Pak Lah.. ) but a fair and democratic constitution is the way forward.

I will always lend my support to my beloved Linux Community.

Regards,
-wariola-

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