[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] The Deleted Items saga

Sridhar Dhanapalan sridhar at dhanapalan.com
Sun Oct 1 16:11:20 BST 2006

On Sunday 01 October 2006 23:29, Bruce Cowan <bruce.cowan at dsl.pipex.com> 
> I started a thread about this in the forums
> ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=268709 ) where somebody made
> a very good point:
> "It's confusing...because are they deleted, or are they not?"
> The issue in this is that the folder is called deleted items, but the
> items in the folder have not been deleted.  The real use of the folder
> would mean is to store items which are pending deletion, but haven't
> been deleted yet.
> I am not sure if anyone is running Edgy, but the Empty Deleted Items
> folder dialogue looks ridiculously large. (See attached image)

It's a bit big, but I don't know about 'ridiculously large'. That's a matter 
of opinion, I guess.

There are a few problems with your forum post and poll. Firstly, we are not 
strictly an en_GB group, and we do take other variations of English into 
consideration. This is mentioned clearly on our home page. Secondly, we have 
discussed this matter extensively on this list. The people commenting and 
voting on this forum post have not been made aware of these things, and this 
fact is made clear in their responses.

> I understand the fact that the goal is supposed to be consistency
> between all applications, but at the moment, the different terms are all
> over the place, but it is a WIP.

No, it isn't a work in progress at all. I see no evidence of any other efforts 
to harmonise en_GB terminology and language across software projects.

> Yes, this is true, but I don't think the words used are correct as a
> localisation, and most of the people on that forum thread (real users)
> seem to think the same.

As mentioned above, those people are not aware of the nature of our project 
nor what we are trying to achieve. The title of the thread ('en_GB users') in 
itself excludes much of our potential user base, as they would be using a 
variant and not en_GB directly.

> I just wish that we had consulted more than the 14 people who voted on
> the poll about this change, and also got the approval from GNOME/KDE
> etc. prior to changing something as major as this.
> 14 people out of the millions of en_GB speakers (and derivatives) is not
> enough of a mandate to change things.

I do not disagree with you, but stating this after the change has taken place 
unfortunately doesn't help us very much. All I can say is that we need to be 
more careful in the future.

Sridhar Dhanapalan
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