complain about petty dictator op on freenode
Seb Lemery
seblemery at gmail.com
Mon Jan 12 04:09:56 UTC 2015
OP, you did good. :) the user was out of line and in your position I
would have banned him for a few days.
On Jan 11, 2015 10:57 PM, "Jeffrey Flaker" <jflaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> As a long time user who has asked for help and has helped, I have seen
> users push the envelope. Usually muting stopped the problem and when it
> doesn't, they are thrown out of the chat. I only see someone getting
> their feelings hurt that they didn't get what they thought they wanted.
>
> The reality is, there has been worse incidents, and this wasn't one of
> those incidents. We are here to help and if someone is ignoring or
> don't want to hear what people are trying to tell them, there isn't much
> we can do.
>
>
> On 01/11/2015 09:30 PM, Achim Behrens wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > since i am the op involved in this incident and beeing accused of some
> > things here i will answer to this thread and explain my view and what i
> > itended with my (re)actions. Its gonna be somewhat lengthy, but i am
> > quite sick of beeing called petty dictator, nazi (last incidents), or
> > other insults while offering my freetime to support ubuntu users as a
> > supporter or beeing op trying to sort a dramaless climate which offers
> > user the chance to receive help to have a good experience with ubuntu
> > and in the community.
> >
> > So the user ntz joined and asked for someone pasting him an output. I
> > asked for more hardware and background information since it sounds like
> > a common issue with an easy fix (install the proper driver or having a
> > bad adapter). I receive the first "i know it all better than you all"
> > attitude demanding the output.
> > I try to explain why i think there is a better solution and still think
> > we can discuss the issue and take a look what is the issue behind that
> > at all. Receiving a "i know everything" attitude.
> > That is the point where i told him that i dont like that attitude and
> > that i will step down from trying to help him.
> > So far i was only "a Supporter"; i could just have given him the
> > outputline but i thought it would not help him anyway and offered my
> > help instead and asked for more details.
> >
> > After that the user gets in some trouble with another user (cecja), who
> > stated at the beginning, that he did not think that this paste would
> > help him anyway, after he (ntz) makes a statement which could
> > interpreted as calling all other users "rude and stupid". That leads
> > cecja to the statement: " 22:23 < cecja> ntz: stop plenking and gtfo".
> > I tell cecja that there is no need to become rude. This is where i start
> > changing from the user/supporter role to the Operator role. After that
> > ntz states clearly that he is not interessted in any technical support
> > anymore but threatening he will escalate it to this mailinglist with
> > logs and insults cecja as "idiot".
> > On that second time i tell ntz to stop it.
> >
> > Cecja makes another comment, while ntz now starts pasting his first
> > question again. So i mute ntz for preventing the channel from more
> > drama. After 14 seconds i unmute ntz again.
> > I could have muted cecja, too, but it seemed to me that ntz was the
> > aggressor who started insulting and was not going to stop, neither with
> > insults nor with making more statements. which means other users, still
> > getting support, would have suffered even more from this drama.
> >
> > so tl;dr:
> > ntz asked for support, was offered other support, showed some attitude
> > and then went to insulting and threatening leading into a 14 seconds
> mute.
> >
> > I will attach the log from the PM between ntz and me immediatly after i
> > unmuted him.
> >
> >
> >
> > to some other concerns mentioned in this Thread so far:
> >
> > the "!ask" factoid was not directed to ntz. It was meant for another
> > user asking for help just before ntz joined. If that was confusing or
> > read as rude, i am sorry for that. Usually i include the nicknames to
> > factoids to adress the users; i do not know why i did not here.
> >
> > The comments from cecja are not acceptable for #ubuntu and do not
> > represent the community. There is no excuse for this sort of comments
> > even when the other user starts insulting.
> >
> > I did not remove ntz from the channel. I used my channel access to temp
> > mute him to prevent the channel from more offtopic (its a technical
> > support channel and at this time the involved users were beyond the
> > point of coming back to support and were just making statements meant to
> > harm others). I do not know where the accusation comes from i would have
> > removed ntz from the channel.
> >
> > best regards
> >
> > --
> > Achim Behrens aka k1l
> >
> >
> > --- Log opened Fr Jan 09 22:25:56 2015
> > 2015-01-09:22:25:56-!- Irssi: Starting query in Freenode with ntz
> > 2015-01-09:22:25:56< ntz> if this is the reason for
> insulting me I really don't know what else and quietting me I really don't
> know .. I'm going to report you
> > 2015-01-09:22:26:24< k1l> ntz stop making a drama on purpose
> > 2015-01-09:22:27:00< ntz> sorry, damage taken .. it's too
> much .. I'm here on freenode since its beginning .. this is really too much
> > 2015-01-09:22:27:39< ntz> I don't remember if I ever
> witnesssed (even not being involved) in similar incident in past 8 years
> > 2015-01-09:22:29:40< k1l> i think your are standing in your
> own way here. or more the one from your buddies who need help. i told you
> that this is related to the video cards and driver setup. you dont need to
> fiddle with xorg yourself in the first place on ubuntu.
> > 2015-01-09:22:30:29< ntz> reread what I said .. it should
> tell something like this
> > 2015-01-09:22:30:30< ntz> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200,
> current 1600 x 900, maximum 32767 x 32767
> > 2015-01-09:22:30:39< ntz> maximum 32767 x 32767
> > 2015-01-09:22:30:54< ntz> ^^ don't you see the difference in
> Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768
> > 2015-01-09:22:31:09< k1l> i am ery disssapointed for you
> saying you are a long term freenode user and start to blackmail users
> immediately
> > 2015-01-09:22:31:52< k1l> ntz not uncommon for a wrong
> driver setup. but since you dont want help on the issue from my side good
> luck with that
> > 2015-01-09:22:31:58< ntz> no sorry, you asked ... I'm only
> going to finish my email to ubuntu-irc at lists.ubuntu.com ... will be from
> dpecka at opensuse.org
> > 2015-01-09:22:32:06< ntz> JFYI
> > 2015-01-09:22:32:25< ntz> now have a nice day and sorry for
> PM, i'd really didn't plan to PM with you .. really
> > --- Log closed Fr Jan 09 22:37:27 2015
> > --- Log opened Fr Jan 09 22:54:18 2015
> > 2015-01-09:22:54:18< ntz>
> http://susepaste.org/view/raw/af22d563
> > 2015-01-09:22:54:49< ntz> ^^ bon apetit .. you forced me for
> FUCKING first time I'm on freenode to do something like that
> > 2015-01-09:22:55:17< ntz> CONGRATS idiot ..
> > 2015-01-09:22:55:29< k1l> ntz i dont get why you are going
> nuts at all?
> > 2015-01-09:22:56:57< k1l> people did try to help you since
> you were asking for help on a solution that seems to be really difficult
> instead of going for a easy solution.
> > 2015-01-09:22:59:33< k1l> i think this is the first time i
> will answer a claim that i am bullying as op. i think this pm will prove
> that i am not what you want to make me look like.
> > 2015-01-09:23:01:16< ntz> question yourself, not me .. okay,
> maybe I overreacted a bit, but if it leads to one less petty pussycat being
> OP on freenode I'd be very glad .. yes, it's bloodthirsty but really, I
> tell you, if your brain have at least two cells you'll thank me later for
> saving your soul
> > 2015-01-09:23:02:08< ntz> now enough, i'm not interested to
> any further discussing of this matter
> > 2015-01-09:23:02:13< ntz> regards !!
> > --- Log closed Fr Jan 09 23:07:27 2015
> >
> >
>
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