complain about petty dictator op on freenode

[Yafeat Alemayhu]

Clearly three people were trying to help. Also, all the evidence in the logs were pointing to him. One thing that that I noticed was that he said that he was not an experienced user then later when k1l said "xorg.conf is not used anymore" ntz was kinda ignoring k1l in a way.

-----Original Message-----
From: "Jeffrey Flaker" <jflaker at gmail.com>
Sent: ‎1/‎11/‎2015 10:57 PM
To: "Ubuntu IRC issues discussion list" <ubuntu-irc at lists.ubuntu.com>
Subject: Re: complain about petty dictator op on freenode

As a long time user who has asked for help and has helped, I have seen
users push the envelope.  Usually muting stopped the problem and when it
doesn't, they are thrown out of the chat.  I only see someone getting
their feelings hurt that they didn't get what they thought they wanted. 

The reality is, there has been worse incidents, and this wasn't one of
those incidents.  We are here to help and if someone is ignoring or
don't want to hear what people are trying to tell them, there isn't much
we can do.


On 01/11/2015 09:30 PM, Achim Behrens wrote:
> Hi,
>
> since i am the op involved in this incident and beeing accused of some
> things here i will answer to this thread and explain my view and what i
> itended with my (re)actions. Its gonna be somewhat lengthy, but i am
> quite sick of beeing called petty dictator, nazi (last incidents), or
> other insults while offering my freetime to support ubuntu users as a
> supporter or beeing op trying to sort a dramaless climate which offers
> user the chance to receive help to have a good experience with ubuntu
> and in the community.
>
> So the user ntz joined and asked for someone pasting him an output. I
> asked for more hardware and background information since it sounds like
> a common issue with an easy fix (install the proper driver or having a
> bad adapter). I receive the first "i know it all better than you all"
> attitude demanding the output.
> I try to explain why i think there is a better solution and still think
> we can discuss the issue and take a look what is the issue behind that
> at all. Receiving a "i know everything" attitude.
> That is the point where i told him that i dont like that attitude and
> that i will step down from trying to help him.
> So far i was only "a Supporter"; i could just have given him the
> outputline but i thought it would not help him anyway and offered my
> help instead and asked for more details.
>
> After that the user gets in some trouble with another user  (cecja), who
> stated at the beginning, that he did not think that this paste would
> help him anyway, after he (ntz) makes a statement which could
> interpreted as calling all other users "rude and stupid". That leads
> cecja to the statement: " 22:23 < cecja> ntz: stop plenking and gtfo".
> I tell cecja that there is no need to become rude. This is where i start
> changing from the user/supporter role to the Operator role. After that
> ntz states clearly that he is not interessted in any technical support
> anymore  but threatening he will escalate it to this mailinglist with
> logs and insults cecja as "idiot".
> On that second time i tell ntz to stop it.
>
> Cecja makes another comment, while ntz now starts pasting his first
> question again. So i mute ntz for preventing the channel from more
> drama. After 14 seconds i unmute ntz again.
> I could have muted cecja, too, but it seemed to me that ntz was the
> aggressor who started insulting and was not going to stop, neither with
> insults nor with making more statements. which means other users, still
> getting support, would have suffered even more from this drama.
>
> so tl;dr:
> ntz asked for support, was offered other support, showed some attitude
> and then went to insulting and threatening leading into a 14 seconds mute.
>
> I will attach the log from the PM between ntz and me immediatly after i
> unmuted him.
>
>
>
> to some other concerns mentioned in this Thread so far:
>
> the "!ask" factoid was not directed to ntz. It was meant for another
> user asking for help just before ntz joined. If that was confusing or
> read as rude, i am sorry for that. Usually i include the nicknames to
> factoids to adress the users; i do not know why i did not here.
>
> The comments from cecja are not acceptable for #ubuntu and do not
> represent the community. There is no excuse for this sort of comments
> even when the other user starts insulting.
>
> I did not remove ntz from the channel. I used my channel access to temp
> mute him to prevent the channel from more offtopic (its a technical
> support channel and at this time the involved users were beyond the
> point of coming back to support and were just making statements meant to
> harm others). I do not know where the accusation comes from i would have
> removed ntz from the channel.
>
> best regards
>
> --
> Achim Behrens aka k1l
>
>
> --- Log opened Fr Jan 09 22:25:56 2015
> 2015-01-09:22:25:56-!- Irssi: Starting query in Freenode with ntz
> 2015-01-09:22:25:56<             ntz> if this is the reason for insulting me I really don't know what else and quietting me I really don't know .. I'm going to report you
> 2015-01-09:22:26:24<             k1l> ntz stop making a drama on purpose
> 2015-01-09:22:27:00<             ntz> sorry, damage taken .. it's too much .. I'm here on freenode since its beginning .. this is really too much
> 2015-01-09:22:27:39<             ntz> I don't remember if I ever witnesssed (even not being involved) in similar incident in past 8 years
> 2015-01-09:22:29:40<             k1l> i think your are standing in your own way here. or more the one from your buddies who need help. i told you that this is related to the video cards and driver setup. you dont need to fiddle with xorg yourself in the first place on ubuntu.
> 2015-01-09:22:30:29<             ntz> reread what I said .. it should tell something like this
> 2015-01-09:22:30:30<             ntz> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1600 x 900, maximum 32767 x 32767
> 2015-01-09:22:30:39<             ntz> maximum 32767 x 32767
> 2015-01-09:22:30:54<             ntz> ^^ don't you see the difference in Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768
> 2015-01-09:22:31:09<             k1l> i am ery disssapointed for you saying you are a long term freenode user and start to blackmail users immediately 
> 2015-01-09:22:31:52<             k1l> ntz not uncommon for a wrong driver setup. but since you dont want help on the issue from my side good luck with that
> 2015-01-09:22:31:58<             ntz> no sorry, you asked ... I'm only going to finish my email to  ubuntu-irc at lists.ubuntu.com ... will be from dpecka at opensuse.org
> 2015-01-09:22:32:06<             ntz> JFYI
> 2015-01-09:22:32:25<             ntz> now have a nice day and sorry for PM, i'd really didn't plan to PM with you .. really
> --- Log closed Fr Jan 09 22:37:27 2015
> --- Log opened Fr Jan 09 22:54:18 2015
> 2015-01-09:22:54:18<             ntz> http://susepaste.org/view/raw/af22d563
> 2015-01-09:22:54:49<             ntz> ^^ bon apetit .. you forced me for FUCKING first time I'm on freenode to do something like that
> 2015-01-09:22:55:17<             ntz> CONGRATS idiot .. 
> 2015-01-09:22:55:29<             k1l> ntz i dont get why you are going nuts at all?
> 2015-01-09:22:56:57<             k1l> people did try to help you since you were asking for help on a solution that seems to be really difficult instead of going for a easy solution.
> 2015-01-09:22:59:33<             k1l> i think this is the first time i will answer a claim that i am bullying as op. i think this pm will prove that i am not what you want to make me look like.
> 2015-01-09:23:01:16<             ntz> question yourself, not me .. okay, maybe I overreacted a bit, but if it leads to one less petty pussycat being OP on freenode I'd be very glad .. yes, it's bloodthirsty but really, I tell you, if your brain have at least two cells you'll thank me later for saving your soul
> 2015-01-09:23:02:08<             ntz> now enough, i'm not interested to any further discussing of this matter
> 2015-01-09:23:02:13<             ntz> regards !!
> --- Log closed Fr Jan 09 23:07:27 2015
>
>



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