My membership and discussion with the IRCC

[Vantrax]

I concur. There has been a bit to much silliness lately and a little too
little ubuntu.

I think collectively we really need to take a deep breath and focus on
honesty and integrity. The tone of that conversation, while subjective,
does not seem to indicate a lot of honesty.  In particular asking a
question 'whether your position is tenable' is effectively a request to
show cause why you shouldn't be removed in every interpretation I can think
of. Saying that is not a 'trial' is disingenuous at best, factoring in
possible language barriers.

-Matthew Lye

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Guidance, not knowledge, and outcome, not disposition.
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On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Benjamin Kerensa <bkerensa at gmail.com>wrote:

> FWIW I think your contributions to the community have been great. I can't
> fully gather why all this went down but whatever the reason its said to see
> you give up your Ubuntu membership.
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2014 8:43 PM, <ljlbox at tiscali.it> wrote:
> >
> > Tonight, I've given up the Ubuntu membership I acquired in 2007.
> >
> > It was a decision that came after several events where feelings
> > were involved, though I consider one thing a climax in particular,
> > and it is when I was asked by the IRC Council to join their
> > #ubuntu-irc-council channel to discuss some things.
> >
> > The way I see what happened goes like this:
> > - I was asked "what I was going to do", then reassured it wasn't
> >   a "trial" or attempt to "oust" me when I was perplexed at what
> >   that question was even intended to mean
> > - I was more explicitly asked to explain how I thought "my
> >   position as an op was tenable", while still being reassured
> >   it was not anything resembling a "trial"
> > - eventually it was made a fair bit clearer that the whole thing
> >   was, in fact, spawned by complaints about needing to "do some-
> >   thing" about my terrible attitude, and by the "recent event"
> >   (deciding to take rww's suggestion to remove the FloodBots)
> > - I explained how I thought my position was quite tenable, and,
> >   on the other hand, how some other people's position wasn't so
> >   much
> > - I was basically told that the discussion was over, and when I
> >   almost begged the members who were clearest about it being over
> >   to at least explain how they thought they could reconcile their
> >   trial-style questions with all the reassurances they gave me
> >   about it being only a discussion, I was only met with their
> >   silence.
> >
> >
> > http://privatepaste.com/5f40b2ac8a has full logs of the discussion,
> > which I've been authorized to provide. Those of you who are actually
> > serious about the idea of a community where people's feelings and
> > motivations matters, please read these logs, even though they're long.
> >
> >
> > As to the people who've expressed their support towards me during
> > the past months: thank you. Now please also consider speaking up
> > right here, because I know you were more numerous than the "3 or 4"
> > people who complained about me that the IRCC mentioned.
> > Maybe you are less numerous now, after me acting so vocally, but
> > remember what you thought about my stances.
> >
> >
> > by LjL
> > ljlbox at tiscali.it
> >
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