[2016-Goal#1] A NEW Server for Ubuntu GNOME

Tim darkxst at fastmail.fm
Mon Jan 4 08:25:29 UTC 2016 


On 04/01/16 01:57, Jprzybytek at yahoo.ca wrote:
> So you are saying canonical does not give you ftp,ssh,mysql, and cron?
I believe (well assume) the current wordpress site, is just an instance on a multisite wordpress server. This does mean we don't have access to
the underlying system, and do need to contact Canonical support to get themes/plug-ins installed etc and they are generally slow to
respond/action requests.

That said no one actually knows if Canonical can provide as a more suitable server, because no one has ever asked. We just asked for a wordpress
site at the time when it was setup. Maybe they can give us a VPS or cloud account, if asked, but then someone needs to admin it.

I really don't think the current hosting thing is what has blocked the new site, I have never seen anything more than a mock-up of the new site.
Apart from a large debate over Wordpress vs someother CMS, not much ever seems to have been done. The delay of getting a new theme installed on
the Canonical server would be miniscule compared to the time we have waited for the new site!

>
> On January 3, 2016 4:34:59 AM EST, Narcis Garcia <informatica at actiu.net> wrote:
>> It's preferable to reach ceiling in Canonical service before changing
>> any hosting.
>>
>> My servers are commercial colocated ones, and I'm offering website
>> resources or VPS as needed with a 100% discount for projects like
>> Ubuntu
>> Gnome.
>> But first step is to have a real limitation with current service.
>>
>>
>> El 03/01/16 a les 00:59, jasper at jbacker.nl ha escrit:
>>> On 2016-01-03 00:46, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
>>>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 6:41 AM, Jasper Backer <jasper at jbacker.nl>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>> I can provide a proper virtual machine on my dedicated server for
>>>>> the project. That box will stay up no matter what as I am dependant
>>>>> on it as well :)
>>>> Thanks. We need to have 1-2-1 chat later IN CASE we want to consider
>>>> that option. I can't confirm now. I have very bad experience with
>>>> 'free' hosting services. No offence, I'm just sharing my experience
>>>> and I don't mean anything bad here.
>>> No worries. :) If it's ever needed I can provide it (also should we
>> need
>>> a staging environment or just a server for different purposes for the
>>> project). I'm dependent on the machine itself as well and have the
>> funds
>>> to keep it going. :)
>>>
>>>>> But indeed, first seek some help. If L/X/Kubuntu have rather proper
>>>>> websites, we should be able to get this running as well. Maybe ask
>>>>> for some expertise on the other projects teams?
>>>> This is still fresh :)
>>>>
>>>> Sharing it with all of you:
>>>>
>>>>> <knome> to you too
>>>>> <amjjawad> Thanks
>>>>> <knome> so, what's the question?
>>>>> <amjjawad> ubuntugnome.org [1] is hosted with Canonical AFAIK. I
>>>>> can't even update WordPress, nor install any plug-in nor do
>> anything
>>>>> whatsoever.
>>>>> <amjjawad> I can only create pages and add posts, that's all.
>>>>> <knome> you can send requests via rt.ubuntu.com [2]
>>>>> <knome> that's how canonical-hosted sites work
>>>>> <amjjawad> For Xubuntu, do you guys host with them too?
>>>>> <knome> yes
>>>>> <amjjawad> website + ISOs too?
>>>>> <knome> yes
>>>>> <amjjawad> From your own experience, do you think it's a bad idea
>> to
>>>>> host somewhere else? should we stick with them?
>>>>> <knome> there are benefits with both ways
>>>>> * thc202 (~thc202 at unaffiliated/thc202) has joined #xubuntu-devel
>>>>> * thc202 (~thc202 at unaffiliated/thc202) has left #xubuntu-devel
>>>>> ("Leaving")
>>>>> <knome> when you host with canonical, and have figured out a stable
>>>>> environment, you don't have to deal with the maintaining overhead
>>>>> yourself
>>>>> <knome> and by stable environment i mean you know which
>>>>> theme/plugins you want to use
>>>>> <amjjawad> True. We're planning to replace the current website with
>>>>> a better designed one. However, due to limited access, we're unable
>>>>> to do that and I was wondering how to do it but now, you told I
>> need
>>>>> to contact rt.ubuntu.com [2]
>>>>> <knome> rt.ubuntu.com [2] is where you can request canonical to
>>>>> update the website files with new ones
>>>>> <amjjawad> Someone mentioned they're so slow :( not sure if that's
>>>>> true.
>>>>> <amjjawad> I guess one way to find out is to actually send and see.
>>>>> <knome> as i said, once you have figured out a stable environment,
>>>>> it's ok
>>>>> <amjjawad> Yes
>>>>> <knome> our requests for theme updates are *usually* responded to
>>>>> within 1-2 days
>>>>> <knome> anyway, i would strongly suggest, regardless how you build
>>>>> the theme, to maintain it in a bzr (or any other) repository so you
>>>>> can ask the canonical IS to update to a certain revision
>>>>> <knome> this also enables them to see a diff between the version
>> you
>>>>> are running now and the version you are requesting
>>>>> <knome> this is important because all changes more or less go
>>>>> through code review to make sure it's safe
>>>>> <amjjawad> Indeed.
>>>>> <amjjawad> Can I share this with my team?
>>>>> <knome> this is a public channel - of course
>>>>> <amjjawad> I know, just thought to double check :)
>>>>> <amjjawad> Many thanks. If that will work for us, we're sticking
>>>>> with them. If not, I have a decent web hosting service (a friend)
>>>>> and he has been a great help and just given me some discount for
>>>>> non-profit projects. We will see which option is best for us.
>>>>> <knome> good luck
>>>>> <amjjawad> To be honest, I love the design of Xubuntu. I wish I
>>>>> could build something similar.
>>>>> <amjjawad> Thank you knome appreciate your time :)
>>> Nice. Go and give it a shot. If we're past the initial "struggle"
>> with
>>> this I am guessing keeping the hosting there would be the 'best'
>> option,
>>> still.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Greets,
>>>>> Jasper
>>>> On the other hand:
>>>>
>>>> Ah okay. Basically for you Ali, whatever package you choose I will
>>>> give you it for the same price as the one below. Advanced, you will
>>>> get same price as starter. Business you can have the same price as
>>>> advanced and webmaster you can have for the same price as business.
>>>>
>>>> https://austenite.co.uk/
>>>>
>>>> I just got special discount from my friend.
>>>>
>>>> Here are our options. Let's choose wisely :)
>>>>
>>>> I know whenever money is involved, people run away. Think twice
>> before
>>>> you run away and by you, I mean all of you.
>>>>
>>>> When GNOME had problem:
>>>> http://ubuntugnome.org/defend-gnome-campaign/
>>>>
>>>> Look how much they had:
>>>> https://gnome.org/groupon/
>>>>
>>>>> THIS MATTER IS RESOLVED! Thank you for all the support that you
>> have
>>>>> given us! The response to this campaign was overwhelming, with 5622
>>>>> individuals contributing USD 102,608.76 to help the GNOME
>> Foundation
>>>>> defend its trademark.
>>>> Why donating 1USD for Ubuntu GNOME is a HUGE issue and bad
>> nightmare?!
>>> To be fair, if you try and download the plain Ubuntu you first see a
>>> "paywall" (you can choose to just download instead of paying if you
>>> prefer). Maybe that page/principle is usable for UG as well?
>>>> Again, if I have income, I'd take care of the whole thing myself :)
>>>>
>>>> Sadly, I don't and therefore, we need to work as one team.
>>>>
>>> We do have options :) I'll get on IRC sometime soon to follow the
>>> discussions a bit more (Want to be more involved in this project, so
>> if
>>> you have any suggestions :))
>>>> At least, this is what I think ...
>>>>
>>>>> On 02-01-16 20 [3]:36, Narcis Garcia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with Jasper that first step is to reach same hosting
>>>>> facilities
>>>>> as other projects in Canonical hosting (as Lubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu
>>>>> do).
>>>>> If this really fails, next getting some of our 2 free-cost flexible
>>>>> offers (Jasper and mine).
>>>>>
>>>>> I can host those resources you are asking for, with no money (at
>>>>> the
>>>>> only cost of mention at some marginal credits).
>>>>>
>>>>> El 02/01/16 a les 13:40, Jasper Backer ha escrit:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> First: I've not yet been socially active on here I believe. Guess
>> it
>>>>> should be time to say "Hi" :)
>>>>> If there's a place where I should shortly introduce myself, let me
>>>>> know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now reading this.. Isn't it better to get the current
>>>>> hosting-related
>>>>> issues sorted out? I believe taking the hosting away from Canonical
>>>>> is a
>>>>> bad step. Find out who's in charge, if we *really* are restricted
>> to
>>>>> the
>>>>> current platform as-is, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu all have decent websites and are all on the
>>>>> same
>>>>> platform. It shouldn't be impossible for us to have a proper
>>>>> website. If
>>>>> we are taking it away however, I am guessing having a proper VM/VPS
>>>>> somewhere is best.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it helps, on my private dedicated server I can setup an account
>>>>> with
>>>>> full FTP/SQL/etc access for the Ubuntu Gnome project to develop the
>>>>> new
>>>>> website on. Do we have DNS control of the domain?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll even provide a VM with separate IP for the project if needed,
>>>>> on my
>>>>> server (for whatever purpose we need it, including hosting the
>>>>> website
>>>>> if we are going that route). I have enough resources (mem/disk)
>>>>> available and I rely on that server myself as well, so rest assured
>>>>> that
>>>>> it's being taken care of properly :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Greets,
>>>>> Jasper
>>>>>
>>>>> On 02-01-16 13 [4]:02, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your email :)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Narcis Garcia
>>>>>
>>>>> <<mailto:informatica at actiu.net>informatica at actiu.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you remember to others?:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. What are the "conflicting" Canonical limitations in current
>>>>> server
>>>>> 2. What are the proposals to overcome those limitations in new
>>>>> server
>>>>>
>>>>> It's 22:55 here and I'm heading to bed. So, I'll make it as short
>> as
>>>>> possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> With the current server, I can't even change the theme nor update
>>>>> the
>>>>> platform (WordPress) nor can install any plug-in ... only Canonical
>>>>> people can do that AFAIK. So to change the website (design wise),
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> not even sure what's involved? who is in charge? etc ...
>>>>>
>>>>> With a new server, we shall have 100% freedom over our website. We
>>>>> can
>>>>> do whatever we like such us updating the website itself, updating
>>>>> the
>>>>> platform (wordpress), install/remove plug-ins and more ..
>>>>>
>>>>> We're many people around and if each one donates 1-2USD, that would
>>>>> be
>>>>> great ..
>>>>>
>>>>> It's our project, if we don't take care of it, who would?!
>>>>>
>>>>> El 02/01/16 a les 03:36, Ali/amjjawad ha escrit:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe the subject says it all. I personally can not
>>>>> accept
>>>>> nor wait
>>>>>> any longer for Ubuntu GNOME to have a NEW Website (we've been
>>>>> going back
>>>>>> and forth for ages now) and to have a new website, we need a
>>>>> new
>>>>> server.
>>>>>> https://austenite.co.uk/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This web hosting service is for a great friend of mine. His
>>>>> name
>>>>> is Kris
>>>>>> and he lives in the UK. Doesn't really matter where he lives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most likely, we need the "Advanced Plan" for 'more' bandwidth
>>>>> or
>>>>> maybe
>>>>>> more - not sure what kind of bandwidth do we currently have
>>>>> for
>>>>> where
>>>>>> ubuntugnome.org [1] <http://ubuntugnome.org>
>>>>> <<http://ubuntugnome.org>http://ubuntugnome.org> lives for
>>>>> now.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Whatever plan we need, that obviously can't be done without
>>>>> paying for that.
>>>>>> If I do have an income, I'd be more than happy to pay for the
>>>>> whole
>>>>>> thing but sadly, I have no income as of now. Beside, we're a
>>>>> community
>>>>>> project and we all should work together in my humble opinion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have been waiting for ages and it's getting very silly to
>>>>> live with
>>>>>> the current 'bad looking' website. I can NOT believe we need
>>>>> years just
>>>>>> to do one task, that's having a new website?!. Totally
>>>>> non-sense
>>>>> to me.
>>>>>> Why we need our own server and not use Canonical's one?
>>>>>> Simply because we shall have MORE freedom and choices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whether you agree or disagree with my idea, we do need a
>>>>> website
>>>>> to be
>>>>>> up and running soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you agree, we need to donate. If each one of us donate
>>>>> 1USD,
>>>>> I'm sure
>>>>>> we can cover the cost :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking forward for some serious useful feedback ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P.S.
>>>>>> Why I recommended Kris? I have been dealing with him for some
>>>>> years now
>>>>>> and I can vouch for him. Never had one single issue with him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>> Ali
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> Ali/amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Ali/amjjawad [5]
>>>>
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