[2016-Goal#1] A NEW Server for Ubuntu GNOME

Sun Jan 3 14:57:43 UTC 2016

So you are saying canonical does not give you ftp,ssh,mysql, and cron?

On January 3, 2016 4:34:59 AM EST, Narcis Garcia <informatica at actiu.net> wrote:
>It's preferable to reach ceiling in Canonical service before changing
>any hosting.
>
>My servers are commercial colocated ones, and I'm offering website
>resources or VPS as needed with a 100% discount for projects like
>Ubuntu
>Gnome.
>But first step is to have a real limitation with current service.
>
>
>El 03/01/16 a les 00:59, jasper at jbacker.nl ha escrit:
>> On 2016-01-03 00:46, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
>>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 6:41 AM, Jasper Backer <jasper at jbacker.nl>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>> I can provide a proper virtual machine on my dedicated server for
>>>> the project. That box will stay up no matter what as I am dependant
>>>> on it as well :)
>>>
>>> Thanks. We need to have 1-2-1 chat later IN CASE we want to consider
>>> that option. I can't confirm now. I have very bad experience with
>>> 'free' hosting services. No offence, I'm just sharing my experience
>>> and I don't mean anything bad here.
>> 
>> No worries. :) If it's ever needed I can provide it (also should we
>need
>> a staging environment or just a server for different purposes for the
>> project). I'm dependent on the machine itself as well and have the
>funds
>> to keep it going. :)
>> 
>>>
>>>> But indeed, first seek some help. If L/X/Kubuntu have rather proper
>>>> websites, we should be able to get this running as well. Maybe ask
>>>> for some expertise on the other projects teams?
>>>
>>> This is still fresh :)
>>>
>>> Sharing it with all of you:
>>>
>>>> <knome> to you too
>>>> <amjjawad> Thanks
>>>> <knome> so, what's the question?
>>>> <amjjawad> ubuntugnome.org [1] is hosted with Canonical AFAIK. I
>>>> can't even update WordPress, nor install any plug-in nor do
>anything
>>>> whatsoever.
>>>> <amjjawad> I can only create pages and add posts, that's all.
>>>> <knome> you can send requests via rt.ubuntu.com [2]
>>>> <knome> that's how canonical-hosted sites work
>>>> <amjjawad> For Xubuntu, do you guys host with them too?
>>>> <knome> yes
>>>> <amjjawad> website + ISOs too?
>>>> <knome> yes
>>>> <amjjawad> From your own experience, do you think it's a bad idea
>to
>>>> host somewhere else? should we stick with them?
>>>> <knome> there are benefits with both ways
>>>> * thc202 (~thc202 at unaffiliated/thc202) has joined #xubuntu-devel
>>>> * thc202 (~thc202 at unaffiliated/thc202) has left #xubuntu-devel
>>>> ("Leaving")
>>>> <knome> when you host with canonical, and have figured out a stable
>>>> environment, you don't have to deal with the maintaining overhead
>>>> yourself
>>>> <knome> and by stable environment i mean you know which
>>>> theme/plugins you want to use
>>>> <amjjawad> True. We're planning to replace the current website with
>>>> a better designed one. However, due to limited access, we're unable
>>>> to do that and I was wondering how to do it but now, you told I
>need
>>>> to contact rt.ubuntu.com [2]
>>>> <knome> rt.ubuntu.com [2] is where you can request canonical to
>>>> update the website files with new ones
>>>> <amjjawad> Someone mentioned they're so slow :( not sure if that's
>>>> true.
>>>> <amjjawad> I guess one way to find out is to actually send and see.
>>>> <knome> as i said, once you have figured out a stable environment,
>>>> it's ok
>>>> <amjjawad> Yes
>>>> <knome> our requests for theme updates are *usually* responded to
>>>> within 1-2 days
>>>> <knome> anyway, i would strongly suggest, regardless how you build
>>>> the theme, to maintain it in a bzr (or any other) repository so you
>>>> can ask the canonical IS to update to a certain revision
>>>> <knome> this also enables them to see a diff between the version
>you
>>>> are running now and the version you are requesting
>>>> <knome> this is important because all changes more or less go
>>>> through code review to make sure it's safe
>>>> <amjjawad> Indeed.
>>>> <amjjawad> Can I share this with my team?
>>>> <knome> this is a public channel - of course
>>>> <amjjawad> I know, just thought to double check :)
>>>> <amjjawad> Many thanks. If that will work for us, we're sticking
>>>> with them. If not, I have a decent web hosting service (a friend)
>>>> and he has been a great help and just given me some discount for
>>>> non-profit projects. We will see which option is best for us.
>>>> <knome> good luck
>>>> <amjjawad> To be honest, I love the design of Xubuntu. I wish I
>>>> could build something similar.
>>>> <amjjawad> Thank you knome appreciate your time :)
>>>
>> Nice. Go and give it a shot. If we're past the initial "struggle"
>with
>> this I am guessing keeping the hosting there would be the 'best'
>option,
>> still.
>> 
>> 
>>>> Greets,
>>>> Jasper
>>>
>>> On the other hand:
>>>
>>> Ah okay. Basically for you Ali, whatever package you choose I will
>>> give you it for the same price as the one below. Advanced, you will
>>> get same price as starter. Business you can have the same price as
>>> advanced and webmaster you can have for the same price as business.
>>>
>>> https://austenite.co.uk/
>>>
>>> I just got special discount from my friend.
>>>
>>> Here are our options. Let's choose wisely :)
>>>
>>> I know whenever money is involved, people run away. Think twice
>before
>>> you run away and by you, I mean all of you.
>>>
>>> When GNOME had problem:
>>> http://ubuntugnome.org/defend-gnome-campaign/
>>>
>>> Look how much they had:
>>> https://gnome.org/groupon/
>>>
>>>> THIS MATTER IS RESOLVED! Thank you for all the support that you
>have
>>>> given us! The response to this campaign was overwhelming, with 5622
>>>> individuals contributing USD 102,608.76 to help the GNOME
>Foundation
>>>> defend its trademark.
>>>
>>> Why donating 1USD for Ubuntu GNOME is a HUGE issue and bad
>nightmare?!
>> 
>> To be fair, if you try and download the plain Ubuntu you first see a
>> "paywall" (you can choose to just download instead of paying if you
>> prefer). Maybe that page/principle is usable for UG as well?
>>>
>>> Again, if I have income, I'd take care of the whole thing myself :)
>>>
>>> Sadly, I don't and therefore, we need to work as one team.
>>>
>> We do have options :) I'll get on IRC sometime soon to follow the
>> discussions a bit more (Want to be more involved in this project, so
>if
>> you have any suggestions :))
>>>
>>> At least, this is what I think ...
>>>
>>>> On 02-01-16 20 [3]:36, Narcis Garcia wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Jasper that first step is to reach same hosting
>>>> facilities
>>>> as other projects in Canonical hosting (as Lubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu
>>>> do).
>>>> If this really fails, next getting some of our 2 free-cost flexible
>>>> offers (Jasper and mine).
>>>>
>>>> I can host those resources you are asking for, with no money (at
>>>> the
>>>> only cost of mention at some marginal credits).
>>>>
>>>> El 02/01/16 a les 13:40, Jasper Backer ha escrit:
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> First: I've not yet been socially active on here I believe. Guess
>it
>>>> should be time to say "Hi" :)
>>>> If there's a place where I should shortly introduce myself, let me
>>>> know.
>>>>
>>>> Now reading this.. Isn't it better to get the current
>>>> hosting-related
>>>> issues sorted out? I believe taking the hosting away from Canonical
>>>> is a
>>>> bad step. Find out who's in charge, if we *really* are restricted
>to
>>>> the
>>>> current platform as-is, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Lubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu all have decent websites and are all on the
>>>> same
>>>> platform. It shouldn't be impossible for us to have a proper
>>>> website. If
>>>> we are taking it away however, I am guessing having a proper VM/VPS
>>>> somewhere is best.
>>>>
>>>> If it helps, on my private dedicated server I can setup an account
>>>> with
>>>> full FTP/SQL/etc access for the Ubuntu Gnome project to develop the
>>>> new
>>>> website on. Do we have DNS control of the domain?
>>>>
>>>> I'll even provide a VM with separate IP for the project if needed,
>>>> on my
>>>> server (for whatever purpose we need it, including hosting the
>>>> website
>>>> if we are going that route). I have enough resources (mem/disk)
>>>> available and I rely on that server myself as well, so rest assured
>>>> that
>>>> it's being taken care of properly :)
>>>>
>>>> Greets,
>>>> Jasper
>>>>
>>>> On 02-01-16 13 [4]:02, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your email :)
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Narcis Garcia
>>>>
>>>> <<mailto:informatica at actiu.net>informatica at actiu.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Can you remember to others?:
>>>>
>>>> 1. What are the "conflicting" Canonical limitations in current
>>>> server
>>>> 2. What are the proposals to overcome those limitations in new
>>>> server
>>>>
>>>> It's 22:55 here and I'm heading to bed. So, I'll make it as short
>as
>>>> possible.
>>>>
>>>> With the current server, I can't even change the theme nor update
>>>> the
>>>> platform (WordPress) nor can install any plug-in ... only Canonical
>>>> people can do that AFAIK. So to change the website (design wise),
>>>> I'm
>>>> not even sure what's involved? who is in charge? etc ...
>>>>
>>>> With a new server, we shall have 100% freedom over our website. We
>>>> can
>>>> do whatever we like such us updating the website itself, updating
>>>> the
>>>> platform (wordpress), install/remove plug-ins and more ..
>>>>
>>>> We're many people around and if each one donates 1-2USD, that would
>>>> be
>>>> great ..
>>>>
>>>> It's our project, if we don't take care of it, who would?!
>>>>
>>>> El 02/01/16 a les 03:36, Ali/amjjawad ha escrit:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe the subject says it all. I personally can not
>>>> accept
>>>> nor wait
>>>>> any longer for Ubuntu GNOME to have a NEW Website (we've been
>>>> going back
>>>>> and forth for ages now) and to have a new website, we need a
>>>> new
>>>> server.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://austenite.co.uk/
>>>>>
>>>>> This web hosting service is for a great friend of mine. His
>>>> name
>>>> is Kris
>>>>> and he lives in the UK. Doesn't really matter where he lives.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most likely, we need the "Advanced Plan" for 'more' bandwidth
>>>> or
>>>> maybe
>>>>> more - not sure what kind of bandwidth do we currently have
>>>> for
>>>> where
>>>>> ubuntugnome.org [1] <http://ubuntugnome.org>
>>>> <<http://ubuntugnome.org>http://ubuntugnome.org> lives for
>>>> now.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Whatever plan we need, that obviously can't be done without
>>>> paying for that.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I do have an income, I'd be more than happy to pay for the
>>>> whole
>>>>> thing but sadly, I have no income as of now. Beside, we're a
>>>> community
>>>>> project and we all should work together in my humble opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have been waiting for ages and it's getting very silly to
>>>> live with
>>>>> the current 'bad looking' website. I can NOT believe we need
>>>> years just
>>>>> to do one task, that's having a new website?!. Totally
>>>> non-sense
>>>> to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why we need our own server and not use Canonical's one?
>>>>> Simply because we shall have MORE freedom and choices.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whether you agree or disagree with my idea, we do need a
>>>> website
>>>> to be
>>>>> up and running soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you agree, we need to donate. If each one of us donate
>>>> 1USD,
>>>> I'm sure
>>>>> we can cover the cost :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking forward for some serious useful feedback ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S.
>>>>> Why I recommended Kris? I have been dealing with him for some
>>>> years now
>>>>> and I can vouch for him. Never had one single issue with him.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> Ali
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Ali/amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>
>>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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