[2016-Goal#1] A NEW Server for Ubuntu GNOME

Sun Jan 3 09:34:59 UTC 2016

It's preferable to reach ceiling in Canonical service before changing
any hosting.

My servers are commercial colocated ones, and I'm offering website
resources or VPS as needed with a 100% discount for projects like Ubuntu
Gnome.
But first step is to have a real limitation with current service.

El 03/01/16 a les 00:59, jasper at jbacker.nl ha escrit:
> On 2016-01-03 00:46, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 6:41 AM, Jasper Backer <jasper at jbacker.nl>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>> I can provide a proper virtual machine on my dedicated server for
>>> the project. That box will stay up no matter what as I am dependant
>>> on it as well :)
>>
>> Thanks. We need to have 1-2-1 chat later IN CASE we want to consider
>> that option. I can't confirm now. I have very bad experience with
>> 'free' hosting services. No offence, I'm just sharing my experience
>> and I don't mean anything bad here.
> 
> No worries. :) If it's ever needed I can provide it (also should we need
> a staging environment or just a server for different purposes for the
> project). I'm dependent on the machine itself as well and have the funds
> to keep it going. :)
> 
>>
>>> But indeed, first seek some help. If L/X/Kubuntu have rather proper
>>> websites, we should be able to get this running as well. Maybe ask
>>> for some expertise on the other projects teams?
>>
>> This is still fresh :)
>>
>> Sharing it with all of you:
>>
>>> <knome> to you too
>>> <amjjawad> Thanks
>>> <knome> so, what's the question?
>>> <amjjawad> ubuntugnome.org [1] is hosted with Canonical AFAIK. I
>>> can't even update WordPress, nor install any plug-in nor do anything
>>> whatsoever.
>>> <amjjawad> I can only create pages and add posts, that's all.
>>> <knome> you can send requests via rt.ubuntu.com [2]
>>> <knome> that's how canonical-hosted sites work
>>> <amjjawad> For Xubuntu, do you guys host with them too?
>>> <knome> yes
>>> <amjjawad> website + ISOs too?
>>> <knome> yes
>>> <amjjawad> From your own experience, do you think it's a bad idea to
>>> host somewhere else? should we stick with them?
>>> <knome> there are benefits with both ways
>>> * thc202 (~thc202 at unaffiliated/thc202) has joined #xubuntu-devel
>>> * thc202 (~thc202 at unaffiliated/thc202) has left #xubuntu-devel
>>> ("Leaving")
>>> <knome> when you host with canonical, and have figured out a stable
>>> environment, you don't have to deal with the maintaining overhead
>>> yourself
>>> <knome> and by stable environment i mean you know which
>>> theme/plugins you want to use
>>> <amjjawad> True. We're planning to replace the current website with
>>> a better designed one. However, due to limited access, we're unable
>>> to do that and I was wondering how to do it but now, you told I need
>>> to contact rt.ubuntu.com [2]
>>> <knome> rt.ubuntu.com [2] is where you can request canonical to
>>> update the website files with new ones
>>> <amjjawad> Someone mentioned they're so slow :( not sure if that's
>>> true.
>>> <amjjawad> I guess one way to find out is to actually send and see.
>>> <knome> as i said, once you have figured out a stable environment,
>>> it's ok
>>> <amjjawad> Yes
>>> <knome> our requests for theme updates are *usually* responded to
>>> within 1-2 days
>>> <knome> anyway, i would strongly suggest, regardless how you build
>>> the theme, to maintain it in a bzr (or any other) repository so you
>>> can ask the canonical IS to update to a certain revision
>>> <knome> this also enables them to see a diff between the version you
>>> are running now and the version you are requesting
>>> <knome> this is important because all changes more or less go
>>> through code review to make sure it's safe
>>> <amjjawad> Indeed.
>>> <amjjawad> Can I share this with my team?
>>> <knome> this is a public channel - of course
>>> <amjjawad> I know, just thought to double check :)
>>> <amjjawad> Many thanks. If that will work for us, we're sticking
>>> with them. If not, I have a decent web hosting service (a friend)
>>> and he has been a great help and just given me some discount for
>>> non-profit projects. We will see which option is best for us.
>>> <knome> good luck
>>> <amjjawad> To be honest, I love the design of Xubuntu. I wish I
>>> could build something similar.
>>> <amjjawad> Thank you knome appreciate your time :)
>>
> Nice. Go and give it a shot. If we're past the initial "struggle" with
> this I am guessing keeping the hosting there would be the 'best' option,
> still.
> 
> 
>>> Greets,
>>> Jasper
>>
>> On the other hand:
>>
>> Ah okay. Basically for you Ali, whatever package you choose I will
>> give you it for the same price as the one below. Advanced, you will
>> get same price as starter. Business you can have the same price as
>> advanced and webmaster you can have for the same price as business.
>>
>> https://austenite.co.uk/
>>
>> I just got special discount from my friend.
>>
>> Here are our options. Let's choose wisely :)
>>
>> I know whenever money is involved, people run away. Think twice before
>> you run away and by you, I mean all of you.
>>
>> When GNOME had problem:
>> http://ubuntugnome.org/defend-gnome-campaign/
>>
>> Look how much they had:
>> https://gnome.org/groupon/
>>
>>> THIS MATTER IS RESOLVED! Thank you for all the support that you have
>>> given us! The response to this campaign was overwhelming, with 5622
>>> individuals contributing USD 102,608.76 to help the GNOME Foundation
>>> defend its trademark.
>>
>> Why donating 1USD for Ubuntu GNOME is a HUGE issue and bad nightmare?!
> 
> To be fair, if you try and download the plain Ubuntu you first see a
> "paywall" (you can choose to just download instead of paying if you
> prefer). Maybe that page/principle is usable for UG as well?
>>
>> Again, if I have income, I'd take care of the whole thing myself :)
>>
>> Sadly, I don't and therefore, we need to work as one team.
>>
> We do have options :) I'll get on IRC sometime soon to follow the
> discussions a bit more (Want to be more involved in this project, so if
> you have any suggestions :))
>>
>> At least, this is what I think ...
>>
>>> On 02-01-16 20 [3]:36, Narcis Garcia wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree with Jasper that first step is to reach same hosting
>>> facilities
>>> as other projects in Canonical hosting (as Lubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu
>>> do).
>>> If this really fails, next getting some of our 2 free-cost flexible
>>> offers (Jasper and mine).
>>>
>>> I can host those resources you are asking for, with no money (at
>>> the
>>> only cost of mention at some marginal credits).
>>>
>>> El 02/01/16 a les 13:40, Jasper Backer ha escrit:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> First: I've not yet been socially active on here I believe. Guess it
>>> should be time to say "Hi" :)
>>> If there's a place where I should shortly introduce myself, let me
>>> know.
>>>
>>> Now reading this.. Isn't it better to get the current
>>> hosting-related
>>> issues sorted out? I believe taking the hosting away from Canonical
>>> is a
>>> bad step. Find out who's in charge, if we *really* are restricted to
>>> the
>>> current platform as-is, etc.
>>>
>>> Lubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu all have decent websites and are all on the
>>> same
>>> platform. It shouldn't be impossible for us to have a proper
>>> website. If
>>> we are taking it away however, I am guessing having a proper VM/VPS
>>> somewhere is best.
>>>
>>> If it helps, on my private dedicated server I can setup an account
>>> with
>>> full FTP/SQL/etc access for the Ubuntu Gnome project to develop the
>>> new
>>> website on. Do we have DNS control of the domain?
>>>
>>> I'll even provide a VM with separate IP for the project if needed,
>>> on my
>>> server (for whatever purpose we need it, including hosting the
>>> website
>>> if we are going that route). I have enough resources (mem/disk)
>>> available and I rely on that server myself as well, so rest assured
>>> that
>>> it's being taken care of properly :)
>>>
>>> Greets,
>>> Jasper
>>>
>>> On 02-01-16 13 [4]:02, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your email :)
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Narcis Garcia
>>>
>>> <<mailto:informatica at actiu.net>informatica at actiu.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can you remember to others?:
>>>
>>> 1. What are the "conflicting" Canonical limitations in current
>>> server
>>> 2. What are the proposals to overcome those limitations in new
>>> server
>>>
>>> It's 22:55 here and I'm heading to bed. So, I'll make it as short as
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> With the current server, I can't even change the theme nor update
>>> the
>>> platform (WordPress) nor can install any plug-in ... only Canonical
>>> people can do that AFAIK. So to change the website (design wise),
>>> I'm
>>> not even sure what's involved? who is in charge? etc ...
>>>
>>> With a new server, we shall have 100% freedom over our website. We
>>> can
>>> do whatever we like such us updating the website itself, updating
>>> the
>>> platform (wordpress), install/remove plug-ins and more ..
>>>
>>> We're many people around and if each one donates 1-2USD, that would
>>> be
>>> great ..
>>>
>>> It's our project, if we don't take care of it, who would?!
>>>
>>> El 02/01/16 a les 03:36, Ali/amjjawad ha escrit:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I believe the subject says it all. I personally can not
>>> accept
>>> nor wait
>>>> any longer for Ubuntu GNOME to have a NEW Website (we've been
>>> going back
>>>> and forth for ages now) and to have a new website, we need a
>>> new
>>> server.
>>>>
>>>> https://austenite.co.uk/
>>>>
>>>> This web hosting service is for a great friend of mine. His
>>> name
>>> is Kris
>>>> and he lives in the UK. Doesn't really matter where he lives.
>>>>
>>>> Most likely, we need the "Advanced Plan" for 'more' bandwidth
>>> or
>>> maybe
>>>> more - not sure what kind of bandwidth do we currently have
>>> for
>>> where
>>>> ubuntugnome.org [1] <http://ubuntugnome.org>
>>> <<http://ubuntugnome.org>http://ubuntugnome.org> lives for
>>> now.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Whatever plan we need, that obviously can't be done without
>>> paying for that.
>>>>
>>>> If I do have an income, I'd be more than happy to pay for the
>>> whole
>>>> thing but sadly, I have no income as of now. Beside, we're a
>>> community
>>>> project and we all should work together in my humble opinion.
>>>>
>>>> We have been waiting for ages and it's getting very silly to
>>> live with
>>>> the current 'bad looking' website. I can NOT believe we need
>>> years just
>>>> to do one task, that's having a new website?!. Totally
>>> non-sense
>>> to me.
>>>>
>>>> Why we need our own server and not use Canonical's one?
>>>> Simply because we shall have MORE freedom and choices.
>>>>
>>>> Whether you agree or disagree with my idea, we do need a
>>> website
>>> to be
>>>> up and running soon.
>>>>
>>>> If you agree, we need to donate. If each one of us donate
>>> 1USD,
>>> I'm sure
>>>> we can cover the cost :)
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward for some serious useful feedback ;)
>>>>
>>>> P.S.
>>>> Why I recommended Kris? I have been dealing with him for some
>>> years now
>>>> and I can vouch for him. Never had one single issue with him.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Ali
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>
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>>
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