[2016-Goal#1] A NEW Server for Ubuntu GNOME

Sat Jan 2 23:59:24 UTC 2016

On 2016-01-03 00:46, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 6:41 AM, Jasper Backer <jasper at jbacker.nl>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> I can provide a proper virtual machine on my dedicated server for
>> the project. That box will stay up no matter what as I am dependant
>> on it as well :)
> 
> Thanks. We need to have 1-2-1 chat later IN CASE we want to consider
> that option. I can't confirm now. I have very bad experience with
> 'free' hosting services. No offence, I'm just sharing my experience
> and I don't mean anything bad here.

No worries. :) If it's ever needed I can provide it (also should we need 
a staging environment or just a server for different purposes for the 
project). I'm dependent on the machine itself as well and have the funds 
to keep it going. :)

> 
>> But indeed, first seek some help. If L/X/Kubuntu have rather proper
>> websites, we should be able to get this running as well. Maybe ask
>> for some expertise on the other projects teams?
> 
> This is still fresh :)
> 
> Sharing it with all of you:
> 
>> <knome> to you too
>> <amjjawad> Thanks
>> <knome> so, what's the question?
>> <amjjawad> ubuntugnome.org [1] is hosted with Canonical AFAIK. I
>> can't even update WordPress, nor install any plug-in nor do anything
>> whatsoever.
>> <amjjawad> I can only create pages and add posts, that's all.
>> <knome> you can send requests via rt.ubuntu.com [2]
>> <knome> that's how canonical-hosted sites work
>> <amjjawad> For Xubuntu, do you guys host with them too?
>> <knome> yes
>> <amjjawad> website + ISOs too?
>> <knome> yes
>> <amjjawad> From your own experience, do you think it's a bad idea to
>> host somewhere else? should we stick with them?
>> <knome> there are benefits with both ways
>> * thc202 (~thc202 at unaffiliated/thc202) has joined #xubuntu-devel
>> * thc202 (~thc202 at unaffiliated/thc202) has left #xubuntu-devel
>> ("Leaving")
>> <knome> when you host with canonical, and have figured out a stable
>> environment, you don't have to deal with the maintaining overhead
>> yourself
>> <knome> and by stable environment i mean you know which
>> theme/plugins you want to use
>> <amjjawad> True. We're planning to replace the current website with
>> a better designed one. However, due to limited access, we're unable
>> to do that and I was wondering how to do it but now, you told I need
>> to contact rt.ubuntu.com [2]
>> <knome> rt.ubuntu.com [2] is where you can request canonical to
>> update the website files with new ones
>> <amjjawad> Someone mentioned they're so slow :( not sure if that's
>> true.
>> <amjjawad> I guess one way to find out is to actually send and see.
>> <knome> as i said, once you have figured out a stable environment,
>> it's ok
>> <amjjawad> Yes
>> <knome> our requests for theme updates are *usually* responded to
>> within 1-2 days
>> <knome> anyway, i would strongly suggest, regardless how you build
>> the theme, to maintain it in a bzr (or any other) repository so you
>> can ask the canonical IS to update to a certain revision
>> <knome> this also enables them to see a diff between the version you
>> are running now and the version you are requesting
>> <knome> this is important because all changes more or less go
>> through code review to make sure it's safe
>> <amjjawad> Indeed.
>> <amjjawad> Can I share this with my team?
>> <knome> this is a public channel - of course
>> <amjjawad> I know, just thought to double check :)
>> <amjjawad> Many thanks. If that will work for us, we're sticking
>> with them. If not, I have a decent web hosting service (a friend)
>> and he has been a great help and just given me some discount for
>> non-profit projects. We will see which option is best for us.
>> <knome> good luck
>> <amjjawad> To be honest, I love the design of Xubuntu. I wish I
>> could build something similar.
>> <amjjawad> Thank you knome appreciate your time :)
> 
Nice. Go and give it a shot. If we're past the initial "struggle" with 
this I am guessing keeping the hosting there would be the 'best' option, 
still.

>> Greets,
>> Jasper
> 
> On the other hand:
> 
> Ah okay. Basically for you Ali, whatever package you choose I will
> give you it for the same price as the one below. Advanced, you will
> get same price as starter. Business you can have the same price as
> advanced and webmaster you can have for the same price as business.
> 
> https://austenite.co.uk/
> 
> I just got special discount from my friend.
> 
> Here are our options. Let's choose wisely :)
> 
> I know whenever money is involved, people run away. Think twice before
> you run away and by you, I mean all of you.
> 
> When GNOME had problem:
> http://ubuntugnome.org/defend-gnome-campaign/
> 
> Look how much they had:
> https://gnome.org/groupon/
> 
>> THIS MATTER IS RESOLVED! Thank you for all the support that you have
>> given us! The response to this campaign was overwhelming, with 5622
>> individuals contributing USD 102,608.76 to help the GNOME Foundation
>> defend its trademark.
> 
> Why donating 1USD for Ubuntu GNOME is a HUGE issue and bad nightmare?!

To be fair, if you try and download the plain Ubuntu you first see a 
"paywall" (you can choose to just download instead of paying if you 
prefer). Maybe that page/principle is usable for UG as well?
> 
> Again, if I have income, I'd take care of the whole thing myself :)
> 
> Sadly, I don't and therefore, we need to work as one team.
> 
We do have options :) I'll get on IRC sometime soon to follow the 
discussions a bit more (Want to be more involved in this project, so if 
you have any suggestions :))
> 
> At least, this is what I think ...
> 
>> On 02-01-16 20 [3]:36, Narcis Garcia wrote:
>> 
>> I agree with Jasper that first step is to reach same hosting
>> facilities
>> as other projects in Canonical hosting (as Lubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu
>> do).
>> If this really fails, next getting some of our 2 free-cost flexible
>> offers (Jasper and mine).
>> 
>> I can host those resources you are asking for, with no money (at
>> the
>> only cost of mention at some marginal credits).
>> 
>> El 02/01/16 a les 13:40, Jasper Backer ha escrit:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> First: I've not yet been socially active on here I believe. Guess it
>> should be time to say "Hi" :)
>> If there's a place where I should shortly introduce myself, let me
>> know.
>> 
>> Now reading this.. Isn't it better to get the current
>> hosting-related
>> issues sorted out? I believe taking the hosting away from Canonical
>> is a
>> bad step. Find out who's in charge, if we *really* are restricted to
>> the
>> current platform as-is, etc.
>> 
>> Lubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu all have decent websites and are all on the
>> same
>> platform. It shouldn't be impossible for us to have a proper
>> website. If
>> we are taking it away however, I am guessing having a proper VM/VPS
>> somewhere is best.
>> 
>> If it helps, on my private dedicated server I can setup an account
>> with
>> full FTP/SQL/etc access for the Ubuntu Gnome project to develop the
>> new
>> website on. Do we have DNS control of the domain?
>> 
>> I'll even provide a VM with separate IP for the project if needed,
>> on my
>> server (for whatever purpose we need it, including hosting the
>> website
>> if we are going that route). I have enough resources (mem/disk)
>> available and I rely on that server myself as well, so rest assured
>> that
>> it's being taken care of properly :)
>> 
>> Greets,
>> Jasper
>> 
>> On 02-01-16 13 [4]:02, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Thank you for your email :)
>> 
>> On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Narcis Garcia
>> 
>> <<mailto:informatica at actiu.net>informatica at actiu.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Can you remember to others?:
>> 
>> 1. What are the "conflicting" Canonical limitations in current
>> server
>> 2. What are the proposals to overcome those limitations in new
>> server
>> 
>> It's 22:55 here and I'm heading to bed. So, I'll make it as short as
>> possible.
>> 
>> With the current server, I can't even change the theme nor update
>> the
>> platform (WordPress) nor can install any plug-in ... only Canonical
>> people can do that AFAIK. So to change the website (design wise),
>> I'm
>> not even sure what's involved? who is in charge? etc ...
>> 
>> With a new server, we shall have 100% freedom over our website. We
>> can
>> do whatever we like such us updating the website itself, updating
>> the
>> platform (wordpress), install/remove plug-ins and more ..
>> 
>> We're many people around and if each one donates 1-2USD, that would
>> be
>> great ..
>> 
>> It's our project, if we don't take care of it, who would?!
>> 
>> El 02/01/16 a les 03:36, Ali/amjjawad ha escrit:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I believe the subject says it all. I personally can not
>> accept
>> nor wait
>>> any longer for Ubuntu GNOME to have a NEW Website (we've been
>> going back
>>> and forth for ages now) and to have a new website, we need a
>> new
>> server.
>>> 
>>> https://austenite.co.uk/
>>> 
>>> This web hosting service is for a great friend of mine. His
>> name
>> is Kris
>>> and he lives in the UK. Doesn't really matter where he lives.
>>> 
>>> Most likely, we need the "Advanced Plan" for 'more' bandwidth
>> or
>> maybe
>>> more - not sure what kind of bandwidth do we currently have
>> for
>> where
>>> ubuntugnome.org [1] <http://ubuntugnome.org>
>> <<http://ubuntugnome.org>http://ubuntugnome.org> lives for
>> now.
>> 
>>> 
>>> Whatever plan we need, that obviously can't be done without
>> paying for that.
>>> 
>>> If I do have an income, I'd be more than happy to pay for the
>> whole
>>> thing but sadly, I have no income as of now. Beside, we're a
>> community
>>> project and we all should work together in my humble opinion.
>>> 
>>> We have been waiting for ages and it's getting very silly to
>> live with
>>> the current 'bad looking' website. I can NOT believe we need
>> years just
>>> to do one task, that's having a new website?!. Totally
>> non-sense
>> to me.
>>> 
>>> Why we need our own server and not use Canonical's one?
>>> Simply because we shall have MORE freedom and choices.
>>> 
>>> Whether you agree or disagree with my idea, we do need a
>> website
>> to be
>>> up and running soon.
>>> 
>>> If you agree, we need to donate. If each one of us donate
>> 1USD,
>> I'm sure
>>> we can cover the cost :)
>>> 
>>> Looking forward for some serious useful feedback ;)
>>> 
>>> P.S.
>>> Why I recommended Kris? I have been dealing with him for some
>> years now
>>> and I can vouch for him. Never had one single issue with him.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Ali
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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