Feedback Time

Fri Jun 26 09:13:07 UTC 2015

Hi Bart, list,

the thing with names is that it's better when they actually *mean*
something. An experimented user will immediately know that Firefox is a
web browser or that Evolution is an email program. But normal users will
have no clue about it :) Some apps use names that provide clues as to
what the purpose of the app is, like Rhythmbox or Gedit, but most don't.

I think the recent trend among GNOME developers is that the app name is
more like an internal code, not aimed at being used in the user
experience.

Maybe a good way to fix your problem would be to have a "Launch in
terminal" entry in the app's dash icon, next to "New Window" and "Add to
favourites", possibly as a GNOME Shell extension ?

Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 10:25 +0200, Bart Schouten a écrit :

> Quoting Narcis Garcia <informatica at actiu.net>:
> 
> > I agree with Keith Grider in a subject: "please name all programs in the
> > UI the same as the cli (...) if you want to diagnose the problem, you
> > need to grep all over the internet to find out what the program name is
> > to be able to launch from the command line to see what errors are occurring"
> >
> > This problem is worse with localized UI.
> 
> Yes. It  makes  no sense to name something "File Manager" instead of  
> "Nautilus" when Nautilus is a name you can love and a brand name.  
> Kubuntu (KDE) just puts a like subtitle next to the real name in the  
> menu to describe it. I don't think "File Manager" (or whatever) makes  
> much sense and you cannot love it. Only the most mediocre computer  
> users do not know what "file manager" or anything  with  a name is and  
> some of them don't even know what the button "web" is supposed to do  
> (in a kiosk computer). You can't really cater to them. Those users  
> can't use Linux anyway. People who have to learn how to use a mouse  
> and who cannot make double-clicks without moving the mouse too much  
> (it happens all too common). I don't think that should be your target  
> audience. A proficient computer user that cannot use a mouse and does  
> not know what a file manager icon is supposed to do -- they can never  
> use linux. They couldn't use Windows. You'd only give them a Mac, at  
> best. I feel it is catering to the lowest common denominator.
> 
> Personally I think Gnome would be at least twice as good if they got  
> rid of those confusing names when there are good names for those  
> programs already.
> 
> Just my opinion, as well.
> 
> Bart.
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > El 25/06/15 a les 15:44, Keith Grider ha escrit:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I have been running Gnome desktop under Ubuntu since 11.04. I did not
> >> like Unity and did not like the Gnome fallback. Tried Elementary OS for
> >> a while and came back to Ubuntu Gnome because they are so slow to
> >> release Freya.
> >>
> >> The new Gnome in 15.04 seems snappier and I like it. I could care less
> >> about the cutting edge, latest Gnome, I just want it to run. I am in the
> >> process of upgrading my computers from 14.04 to 15.04. 2 down and 2 to
> >> go. There are some kernel improvements in 15.04 which help a couple
> >> issues I was having with 14.04 (1 is that network manager is somewhat
> >> broken in 14.04.2 The via_velocity module will not reconnect to the lan
> >> after suspend and another is with wifi on my laptop.)
> >>
> >> Stuff that does not work or does not work 'correctly' in 15.04, IMO:
> >>
> >>  1. I can no longer unload a module at suspend time. I know this is a
> >>     kernel problem and not Gnome, but it is a problem for me. I used to
> >>     be able to do this with 13.04, but since 12.04, I can no longer get
> >>     it to unload the aic7xxx module before suspending. No matter what I
> >>     put in the |/etc/pm/config.d/modules, it will not unload. As soon as
> >>     I try to use that module, the kernel panics and locks up the
> >>     computer. It is an old card, but runs my scanner just fine. It used
> >>     to work correctly and now it only works after boot and crashes after
> >>     the first suspend resume cycle. I can do it by hand and can also
> >>     blacklist it so I cna load it when I need it, but it should be able
> >>     to be automated, this is a regression.
> >>     |
> >>  2. ||The Gnome login screen needs a suspend time out. As it is, I have
> >>     my users set auto suspend after 30 minutes. It would be nice if I
> >>     could set that for The Gnome login screen as well via the Gnome UI
> >>     somehow. It has been this way for a while and it is a regression, IMO.
> >>  3. The Gnome login screen does not have a suspend option. All I can do
> >>     is shut down or reboot from the login screen.
> >>  4. The openjdk-*-jre install no longer has a .desktop file for right
> >>     clicking and launching *.jar files in Nautilus, it must be created
> >>     by hand to run these files.
> >>  5. Please, please, please name all programs in the UI the same as the
> >>     cli... Please. It is tough to click and try to launch something in
> >>     the UI, have nothing happen then if you want to diagnose the
> >>     problem, you need to grep all over the internet to find out what the
> >>     program name is to be able to launch from the command line to see
> >>     what errors are occurring. I do not have a specific example right
> >>     now, but could find one if you need. I think one of them is 'files'.
> >>     Just call it 'nautilus'.
> >>
> >> Keep up the good work.
> >>
> >> Keith
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Ali/amjjawad <amjjawad at gnome.org
> >> <mailto:amjjawad at gnome.org>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     Dear everyone,
> >>
> >>     Before we start the planning for this cycle (Wily Werewolf - 15.04),
> >>     I'd like to run this survey before anything else:
> >>
> >>     https://ubuntugnome.org/feedback-time/
> >>
> >>     It would be very important for me and everyone else to understand
> >>     what we have done, what we are doing and what we are suppose to do
> >>     in the future. Above all, we do need to understand what *OUR USERS*
> >>     think :)
> >>
> >>     I am having very limited time to spend so if the survey is bad or
> >>     lack some questions, etc .. please keep in mind that this is what my
> >>     time allowed me to do. I think I did my best and I'd like to
> >>     apologize in advance for any inconvenience.
> >>
> >>     You can *ALWAYS* write to us and send your feedback here, on this
> >>     mailing list:
> >>     https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs
> >>
> >>
> >>     and/or *FEEL FREE to contact me* :)
> >>
> >>
> >>     The survey should *NOT* take more than _*3 minutes*_ from your time.
> >>
> >>     *Here is the direct link:*
> >>     http://goo.gl/forms/sXdsxPIkfZ
> >>
> >>     You can only answer it ONE time so please, make sure to read the
> >>     questions carefully ;)
> >>
> >>     Thank you so much!
> >>
> >>     --
> >>     Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> >>
> >>     Best Regards,
> >>     Ali/amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>
> >>
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