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Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 10:25 +0200, Bart Schouten a écrit : <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <PRE> Quoting Narcis Garcia <<A HREF="mailto:informatica@actiu.net">informatica@actiu.net</A>>: > I agree with Keith Grider in a subject: "please name all programs in the > UI the same as the cli (...) if you want to diagnose the problem, you > need to grep all over the internet to find out what the program name is > to be able to launch from the command line to see what errors are occurring" > > This problem is worse with localized UI. Yes. It makes no sense to name something "File Manager" instead of "Nautilus" when Nautilus is a name you can love and a brand name. Kubuntu (KDE) just puts a like subtitle next to the real name in the menu to describe it. I don't think "File Manager" (or whatever) makes much sense and you cannot love it. Only the most mediocre computer users do not know what "file manager" or anything with a name is and some of them don't even know what the button "web" is supposed to do (in a kiosk computer). You can't really cater to them. Those users can't use Linux anyway. People who have to learn how to use a mouse and who cannot make double-clicks without moving the mouse too much (it happens all too common). I don't think that should be your target audience. A proficient computer user that cannot use a mouse and does not know what a file manager icon is supposed to do -- they can never use linux. They couldn't use Windows. You'd only give them a Mac, at best. I feel it is catering to the lowest common denominator. Personally I think Gnome would be at least twice as good if they got rid of those confusing names when there are good names for those programs already. Just my opinion, as well. Bart. > > > > El 25/06/15 a les 15:44, Keith Grider ha escrit: >> Hi, >> >> I have been running Gnome desktop under Ubuntu since 11.04. I did not >> like Unity and did not like the Gnome fallback. Tried Elementary OS for >> a while and came back to Ubuntu Gnome because they are so slow to >> release Freya. >> >> The new Gnome in 15.04 seems snappier and I like it. I could care less >> about the cutting edge, latest Gnome, I just want it to run. I am in the >> process of upgrading my computers from 14.04 to 15.04. 2 down and 2 to >> go. There are some kernel improvements in 15.04 which help a couple >> issues I was having with 14.04 (1 is that network manager is somewhat >> broken in 14.04.2 The via_velocity module will not reconnect to the lan >> after suspend and another is with wifi on my laptop.) >> >> Stuff that does not work or does not work 'correctly' in 15.04, IMO: >> >> 1. I can no longer unload a module at suspend time. I know this is a >> kernel problem and not Gnome, but it is a problem for me. I used to >> be able to do this with 13.04, but since 12.04, I can no longer get >> it to unload the aic7xxx module before suspending. No matter what I >> put in the |/etc/pm/config.d/modules, it will not unload. As soon as >> I try to use that module, the kernel panics and locks up the >> computer. It is an old card, but runs my scanner just fine. It used >> to work correctly and now it only works after boot and crashes after >> the first suspend resume cycle. I can do it by hand and can also >> blacklist it so I cna load it when I need it, but it should be able >> to be automated, this is a regression. >> | >> 2. ||The Gnome login screen needs a suspend time out. As it is, I have >> my users set auto suspend after 30 minutes. It would be nice if I >> could set that for The Gnome login screen as well via the Gnome UI >> somehow. It has been this way for a while and it is a regression, IMO. >> 3. The Gnome login screen does not have a suspend option. All I can do >> is shut down or reboot from the login screen. >> 4. The openjdk-*-jre install no longer has a .desktop file for right >> clicking and launching *.jar files in Nautilus, it must be created >> by hand to run these files. >> 5. Please, please, please name all programs in the UI the same as the >> cli... Please. It is tough to click and try to launch something in >> the UI, have nothing happen then if you want to diagnose the >> problem, you need to grep all over the internet to find out what the >> program name is to be able to launch from the command line to see >> what errors are occurring. I do not have a specific example right >> now, but could find one if you need. I think one of them is 'files'. >> Just call it 'nautilus'. >> >> Keep up the good work. >> >> Keith >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Ali/amjjawad <<A HREF="mailto:amjjawad@gnome.org">amjjawad@gnome.org</A> >> <<A HREF="mailto:amjjawad@gnome.org">mailto:amjjawad@gnome.org</A>>> wrote: >> >> Dear everyone, >> >> Before we start the planning for this cycle (Wily Werewolf - 15.04), >> I'd like to run this survey before anything else: >> >> <A HREF="https://ubuntugnome.org/feedback-time/">https://ubuntugnome.org/feedback-time/</A> >> >> It would be very important for me and everyone else to understand >> what we have done, what we are doing and what we are suppose to do >> in the future. Above all, we do need to understand what *OUR USERS* >> think :) >> >> I am having very limited time to spend so if the survey is bad or >> lack some questions, etc .. please keep in mind that this is what my >> time allowed me to do. I think I did my best and I'd like to >> apologize in advance for any inconvenience. >> >> You can *ALWAYS* write to us and send your feedback here, on this >> mailing list: >> <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs</A> >> >> >> and/or *FEEL FREE to contact me* :) >> >> >> The survey should *NOT* take more than _*3 minutes*_ from your time. >> >> *Here is the direct link:* >> <A HREF="http://goo.gl/forms/sXdsxPIkfZ">http://goo.gl/forms/sXdsxPIkfZ</A> >> >> You can only answer it ONE time so please, make sure to read the >> questions carefully ;) >> >> Thank you so much! >> >> -- >> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us." >> >> Best Regards, >> Ali/amjjawad <<A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad</A>> >> >> *<A HREF="http://kibo.computer">http://kibo.computer</A>* - <A HREF="http://torios.net">http://torios.net</A> - Ubuntu GNOME >> <<A HREF="http://ubuntugnome.org/">http://ubuntugnome.org/</A>> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list >> <A HREF="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</A> <<A HREF="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</A>> >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> <A HREF="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome</A> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list > <A HREF="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</A> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > <A HREF="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome</A> > </PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BODY> </HTML>