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Fri Jun 26 14:04:51 UTC 2015

I believe there is a middle point for this:

"Gedit text editor"
"Nautilus file manager"
"Firefox web browser"
etc.

If someone names simply "Web browser" to Epiphany, how is named
Firefox?? In a bad names strategy, user could see this in an
applications menu:
Web browser <- This is Firefox (you must know)
Web browser <- This is Mirori (you must know)
Web browser <- This is Icecat (you must know)
...no sense.

It's very difficult for casual (or new) users this other extreme in a
bad names strategy:
Sylpheed <- This is an e-mail software (you must know)
Evolution <- This is an e-mail software (you must know)
Geary <- This is an e-mail software (you must know)

El 26/06/15 a les 11:13, Julien Olivier ha escrit:
> Hi Bart, list,
> 
> the thing with names is that it's better when they actually *mean*
> something. An experimented user will immediately know that Firefox is a
> web browser or that Evolution is an email program. But normal users will
> have no clue about it :) Some apps use names that provide clues as to
> what the purpose of the app is, like Rhythmbox or Gedit, but most don't.
> 
> I think the recent trend among GNOME developers is that the app name is
> more like an internal code, not aimed at being used in the user experience.
> 
> Maybe a good way to fix your problem would be to have a "Launch in
> terminal" entry in the app's dash icon, next to "New Window" and "Add to
> favourites", possibly as a GNOME Shell extension ?
> 
> Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 10:25 +0200, Bart Schouten a écrit :
>> Quoting Narcis Garcia <informatica at actiu.net <mailto:informatica at actiu.net>>:
>>
>> > I agree with Keith Grider in a subject: "please name all programs in the
>> > UI the same as the cli (...) if you want to diagnose the problem, you
>> > need to grep all over the internet to find out what the program name is
>> > to be able to launch from the command line to see what errors are occurring"
>> >
>> > This problem is worse with localized UI.
>>
>> Yes. It  makes  no sense to name something "File Manager" instead of  
>> "Nautilus" when Nautilus is a name you can love and a brand name.  
>> Kubuntu (KDE) just puts a like subtitle next to the real name in the  
>> menu to describe it. I don't think "File Manager" (or whatever) makes  
>> much sense and you cannot love it. Only the most mediocre computer  
>> users do not know what "file manager" or anything  with  a name is and  
>> some of them don't even know what the button "web" is supposed to do  
>> (in a kiosk computer). You can't really cater to them. Those users  
>> can't use Linux anyway. People who have to learn how to use a mouse  
>> and who cannot make double-clicks without moving the mouse too much  
>> (it happens all too common). I don't think that should be your target  
>> audience. A proficient computer user that cannot use a mouse and does  
>> not know what a file manager icon is supposed to do -- they can never  
>> use linux. They couldn't use Windows. You'd only give them a Mac, at  
>> best. I feel it is catering to the lowest common denominator.
>>
>> Personally I think Gnome would be at least twice as good if they got  
>> rid of those confusing names when there are good names for those  
>> programs already.
>>
>> Just my opinion, as well.
>>
>> Bart.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > El 25/06/15 a les 15:44, Keith Grider ha escrit:
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I have been running Gnome desktop under Ubuntu since 11.04. I did not
>> >> like Unity and did not like the Gnome fallback. Tried Elementary OS for
>> >> a while and came back to Ubuntu Gnome because they are so slow to
>> >> release Freya.
>> >>
>> >> The new Gnome in 15.04 seems snappier and I like it. I could care less
>> >> about the cutting edge, latest Gnome, I just want it to run. I am in the
>> >> process of upgrading my computers from 14.04 to 15.04. 2 down and 2 to
>> >> go. There are some kernel improvements in 15.04 which help a couple
>> >> issues I was having with 14.04 (1 is that network manager is somewhat
>> >> broken in 14.04.2 The via_velocity module will not reconnect to the lan
>> >> after suspend and another is with wifi on my laptop.)
>> >>
>> >> Stuff that does not work or does not work 'correctly' in 15.04, IMO:
>> >>
>> >>  1. I can no longer unload a module at suspend time. I know this is a
>> >>     kernel problem and not Gnome, but it is a problem for me. I used to
>> >>     be able to do this with 13.04, but since 12.04, I can no longer get
>> >>     it to unload the aic7xxx module before suspending. No matter what I
>> >>     put in the |/etc/pm/config.d/modules, it will not unload. As soon as
>> >>     I try to use that module, the kernel panics and locks up the
>> >>     computer. It is an old card, but runs my scanner just fine. It used
>> >>     to work correctly and now it only works after boot and crashes after
>> >>     the first suspend resume cycle. I can do it by hand and can also
>> >>     blacklist it so I cna load it when I need it, but it should be able
>> >>     to be automated, this is a regression.
>> >>     |
>> >>  2. ||The Gnome login screen needs a suspend time out. As it is, I have
>> >>     my users set auto suspend after 30 minutes. It would be nice if I
>> >>     could set that for The Gnome login screen as well via the Gnome UI
>> >>     somehow. It has been this way for a while and it is a regression, IMO.
>> >>  3. The Gnome login screen does not have a suspend option. All I can do
>> >>     is shut down or reboot from the login screen.
>> >>  4. The openjdk-*-jre install no longer has a .desktop file for right
>> >>     clicking and launching *.jar files in Nautilus, it must be created
>> >>     by hand to run these files.
>> >>  5. Please, please, please name all programs in the UI the same as the
>> >>     cli... Please. It is tough to click and try to launch something in
>> >>     the UI, have nothing happen then if you want to diagnose the
>> >>     problem, you need to grep all over the internet to find out what the
>> >>     program name is to be able to launch from the command line to see
>> >>     what errors are occurring. I do not have a specific example right
>> >>     now, but could find one if you need. I think one of them is 'files'.
>> >>     Just call it 'nautilus'.
>> >>
>> >> Keep up the good work.
>> >>
>> >> Keith
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Ali/amjjawad <amjjawad at gnome.org <mailto:amjjawad at gnome.org>
>> >> <mailto:amjjawad at gnome.org>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>     Dear everyone,
>> >>
>> >>     Before we start the planning for this cycle (Wily Werewolf - 15.04),
>> >>     I'd like to run this survey before anything else:
>> >>
>> >>     https://ubuntugnome.org/feedback-time/
>> >>
>> >>     It would be very important for me and everyone else to understand
>> >>     what we have done, what we are doing and what we are suppose to do
>> >>     in the future. Above all, we do need to understand what *OUR USERS*
>> >>     think :)
>> >>
>> >>     I am having very limited time to spend so if the survey is bad or
>> >>     lack some questions, etc .. please keep in mind that this is what my
>> >>     time allowed me to do. I think I did my best and I'd like to
>> >>     apologize in advance for any inconvenience.
>> >>
>> >>     You can *ALWAYS* write to us and send your feedback here, on this
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>> >>     https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs
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>> >>
>> >>     and/or *FEEL FREE to contact me* :)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>     The survey should *NOT* take more than _*3 minutes*_ from your time.
>> >>
>> >>     *Here is the direct link:*
>> >>     http://goo.gl/forms/sXdsxPIkfZ
>> >>
>> >>     You can only answer it ONE time so please, make sure to read the
>> >>     questions carefully ;)
>> >>
>> >>     Thank you so much!
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >>     Best Regards,
>> >>     Ali/amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>
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