[Lubuntu-comms] People do not understand the desktop installer

Thu Oct 24 17:05:25 UTC 2013

William, I am with you. But still "remove windows" leaves the would-be
ubuntu user to think that there may be a way to put it back later...

Perhaps "remove windows and all your files completely - they cannot be
recovered except possibly from whatever backup you have" would be better.
On 2013-10-24 8:41 AM, "William" <wjckc79 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On 10/24/2013 09:05 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>
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> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) <amjjawad at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>  On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> On 2013-10-24 15:31, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund at gmail.com
>>>  > <mailto:nio.wiklund at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >     Hi everybody,
>>> >
>>> >     Today, there is another person, who misunderstood the partitioning
>>> >     dialogue of the desktop installer.
>>> >
>>> >     http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183287
>>> >
>>> >     'When I went to install 13.10 I chose the option to remove windows
>>> and
>>> >     replace with Ubuntu. I had two partitions when I chose this. One
>>> with
>>> >     files I wanted to keep and the other being the windows 7
>>> partition. When
>>> >     I chose to remove windows I assumed it would be placed on my C
>>> drive and
>>> >     not my other one. But what actually ended up happening was all my
>>> >     partitions merged into one deleting everything. Now I only have
>>> Ubuntu
>>> >     on my drive. I need help retrieving my files please!'
>>> >
>>> >     -o-
>>> >
>>> >     This is what I have been telling, when describing the One Button
>>> >     Installer
>>> >
>>> >     '...
>>> >     Case 1: Tool that is easy to use and just works
>>> >
>>> >     The normal linux installers that come with iso files are
>>> complicated to
>>> >     use or freeze during the installation process, and you want a tool
>>> that
>>> >     is easier to use and just works.
>>> >     ...
>>> >     a. The Desktop Installer is flexible and looks nice, and is
>>> generally
>>> >     easy to understand, but the partitioning page can make people
>>> confused.
>>> >     There are several threads at the Ubuntu Forums describing
>>> installations,
>>> >     where a previous system has been overwritten by mistake. ...'
>>> >
>>> >     It is really too bad, and something that should be improved in
>>> 14.04
>>> >
>>> >     Best regards
>>> >     Nio
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > All that can be solved in one two 'very' simple steps:
>>> >
>>> > 1- Create a YouTube Video that explains in details HOWTO Install Ubuntu
>>> > with all the possible cases
>>> > 2- Add a link for that YouTube Video right next to the Download Link so
>>> > those who download Ubuntu or any flavour can 'watch' and 'learn' how to
>>> > install the system
>>> >
>>> > Time is money and saving time is a very important factor in just 6
>>> > months cycle :)
>>> >
>>> > Just a very quick thought!
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>>> > Best Regards,
>>>  > amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>
>>> > Areas of Involvement <
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement>
>>> > My Projects <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/Projects>
>>>
>>> 1. I do think it is important to improve the text in the installer itself
>>>
>>
>>   Any suggestions? for someone who failed to backup his/her important
>> data before actually wiping his/her HDD, I'd only think he/she will not
>> even bother to read any text :)
>>
>>
>>
>>> because those who might need the video might not play it.
>>>
>>
>>  As I mentioned, the Link of that HOWTO Video must be posted right next
>> to the Download Link with a Note:
>>
>>  "Please, see/watch this video BEFORE you install the system" :)
>>
>>  Those who fail to 'read' any improved text or watch the video, can
>> blame no one but themselves.
>>
>>  Backing up is the very first step. This must be mentioned clearly next
>> to each and every download link, IMHO :)
>>
>>
>>>
>>> 2. I wrote that it should be improved in 14.04, which is an LTS version,
>>> so more than 6 months are involved.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Nio
>>>
>>
>>  Well, this is not for me to decide. This will go into so many
>> discussions and will take time. Why NOT save the time and just go for the
>> easiest solution rather than changing the whole thing just because 'some'
>> users who can't read nor backup their data?
>>
>>  But YES, I am WITH any improvement that makes life easier. However,
>> time is the real challenge that we do have. While 6 months may look enough
>> for that, IMHO, each minute should be carefully considered :) that is just
>> me though!
>>
>>  Thanks!
>>
>
>  Thanks a lot, Nio :D
>
> You have reminded me to add a very important note that I forgot to add!!!
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GetUbuntuGNOME
>
> http://ubuntugnome.org/download
>
>  Once my voice is back to normal (when this ugly flu leaves me alone), I
> might create a Video and Adding it to our Area on Ubuntu GNOME Website and
> Wiki Page :)
>
>  Highly appreciate the inspiration :D
>
>
> --
>   Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> Best Regards,
>  amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>
>  Areas of Involvement<https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement>
>  My Projects <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/Projects>
>
>
>  While I have nothing but the greatest of heartbreaking sympathy for
> people who wipe their Windows partition by mistake in this manner, I truly
> cannot fathom what they are failing to interpret in the option "remove
> windows". The existence of the option to install side-by-side should make
> the meaning of "remove windows" even more completely obvious than it
> already is. But still, even if the side-by-side option were not present...
> One can only be hand-held so much, but I am starting to think that when the
> "remove windows" option is selected, 3 maybe even 4, impossible to
> misinterpret dialogue boxes should follow. Advising someone on the last one
> to stop right there if they still don't understand while referring them to
> online documentation.
>
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