[Lubuntu-comms] People do not understand the desktop installer

Colin Law clanlaw at googlemail.com
Thu Oct 24 21:03:28 UTC 2013 

On 24 October 2013 18:05, chris hermansen <clhermansen at gmail.com> wrote:
> William, I am with you. But still "remove windows" leaves the would-be
> ubuntu user to think that there may be a way to put it back later...

It is some time since I did an install like that, but does it not warn
with a message "Warning this will delete all files on the disk" or
something similar before it starts the install?

Colin

>
> Perhaps "remove windows and all your files completely - they cannot be
> recovered except possibly from whatever backup you have" would be better.
>
> On 2013-10-24 8:41 AM, "William" <wjckc79 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 10/24/2013 09:05 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) <amjjawad at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2013-10-24 15:31, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund at gmail.com
>>>> > <mailto:nio.wiklund at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >     Hi everybody,
>>>> >
>>>> >     Today, there is another person, who misunderstood the partitioning
>>>> >     dialogue of the desktop installer.
>>>> >
>>>> >     http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183287
>>>> >
>>>> >     'When I went to install 13.10 I chose the option to remove windows
>>>> > and
>>>> >     replace with Ubuntu. I had two partitions when I chose this. One
>>>> > with
>>>> >     files I wanted to keep and the other being the windows 7
>>>> > partition. When
>>>> >     I chose to remove windows I assumed it would be placed on my C
>>>> > drive and
>>>> >     not my other one. But what actually ended up happening was all my
>>>> >     partitions merged into one deleting everything. Now I only have
>>>> > Ubuntu
>>>> >     on my drive. I need help retrieving my files please!'
>>>> >
>>>> >     -o-
>>>> >
>>>> >     This is what I have been telling, when describing the One Button
>>>> >     Installer
>>>> >
>>>> >     '...
>>>> >     Case 1: Tool that is easy to use and just works
>>>> >
>>>> >     The normal linux installers that come with iso files are
>>>> > complicated to
>>>> >     use or freeze during the installation process, and you want a tool
>>>> > that
>>>> >     is easier to use and just works.
>>>> >     ...
>>>> >     a. The Desktop Installer is flexible and looks nice, and is
>>>> > generally
>>>> >     easy to understand, but the partitioning page can make people
>>>> > confused.
>>>> >     There are several threads at the Ubuntu Forums describing
>>>> > installations,
>>>> >     where a previous system has been overwritten by mistake. ...'
>>>> >
>>>> >     It is really too bad, and something that should be improved in
>>>> > 14.04
>>>> >
>>>> >     Best regards
>>>> >     Nio
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> >
>>>> > All that can be solved in one two 'very' simple steps:
>>>> >
>>>> > 1- Create a YouTube Video that explains in details HOWTO Install
>>>> > Ubuntu
>>>> > with all the possible cases
>>>> > 2- Add a link for that YouTube Video right next to the Download Link
>>>> > so
>>>> > those who download Ubuntu or any flavour can 'watch' and 'learn' how
>>>> > to
>>>> > install the system
>>>> >
>>>> > Time is money and saving time is a very important factor in just 6
>>>> > months cycle :)
>>>> >
>>>> > Just a very quick thought!
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>>>> > Best Regards,
>>>> > amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>
>>>> > Areas of Involvement
>>>> > <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement>
>>>> > My Projects <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/Projects>
>>>>
>>>> 1. I do think it is important to improve the text in the installer
>>>> itself
>>>
>>>
>>> Any suggestions? for someone who failed to backup his/her important data
>>> before actually wiping his/her HDD, I'd only think he/she will not even
>>> bother to read any text :)
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> because those who might need the video might not play it.
>>>
>>>
>>> As I mentioned, the Link of that HOWTO Video must be posted right next to
>>> the Download Link with a Note:
>>>
>>> "Please, see/watch this video BEFORE you install the system" :)
>>>
>>> Those who fail to 'read' any improved text or watch the video, can blame
>>> no one but themselves.
>>>
>>> Backing up is the very first step. This must be mentioned clearly next to
>>> each and every download link, IMHO :)
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2. I wrote that it should be improved in 14.04, which is an LTS version,
>>>> so more than 6 months are involved.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>> Nio
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, this is not for me to decide. This will go into so many discussions
>>> and will take time. Why NOT save the time and just go for the easiest
>>> solution rather than changing the whole thing just because 'some' users who
>>> can't read nor backup their data?
>>>
>>> But YES, I am WITH any improvement that makes life easier. However, time
>>> is the real challenge that we do have. While 6 months may look enough for
>>> that, IMHO, each minute should be carefully considered :) that is just me
>>> though!
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Thanks a lot, Nio :D
>>
>> You have reminded me to add a very important note that I forgot to add!!!
>>
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GetUbuntuGNOME
>>
>> http://ubuntugnome.org/download
>>
>> Once my voice is back to normal (when this ugly flu leaves me alone), I
>> might create a Video and Adding it to our Area on Ubuntu GNOME Website and
>> Wiki Page :)
>>
>> Highly appreciate the inspiration :D
>>
>>
>> --
>> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>> Best Regards,
>> amjjawad
>> Areas of Involvement
>> My Projects
>>
>>
>> While I have nothing but the greatest of heartbreaking sympathy for people
>> who wipe their Windows partition by mistake in this manner, I truly cannot
>> fathom what they are failing to interpret in the option "remove windows".
>> The existence of the option to install side-by-side should make the meaning
>> of "remove windows" even more completely obvious than it already is. But
>> still, even if the side-by-side option were not present... One can only be
>> hand-held so much, but I am starting to think that when the "remove windows"
>> option is selected, 3 maybe even 4, impossible to misinterpret dialogue
>> boxes should follow. Advising someone on the last one to stop right there if
>> they still don't understand while referring them to online documentation.
>>
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