Why all the empty pages?

[Matthew East]

On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 17:59 +0200, Duncan Lithgow wrote:
> Matthew East wrote:
> > On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 08:14 -0700, Daniel Robitaille wrote:
> > 
> >>On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, Duncan Lithgow wrote:
> >>
> >>> > We have been keeping pages from past Ubuntu conferences for historical
> >>> > reason, so that one fits in that category.
> >>>
> >>>I don't understand - what is the wiki for? It can't be for absolutely everything, old conference notes? 
> >>>It's tying up a very relevant name: "ThirdPartyVendorSoftware". Surely that wiki name shouldn't be used 
> >>>by notes for an old conference...
> >>>
> >>>But really, it does beg the question of what the wiki is for and how it can be tidied up. Should there 
> >>>be a seperate wikiweb dedicated to support/documentaion?
> >>>
> >>>Or should we just start renaming pages fomr the conference (for example) with a suitable prefix? Perhaps 
> >>>such things be renamed to (for example) UduSessionThirdPartyVendorSoftware
> >>
> >> 
> >>the wiki is for all sort of things related to Ubuntu-world, not just the
> >>documentation.  And for simplicity one wiki is easier than multiple
> >>wikis.  So old, and future conferences documents are in there, and can
> >>be very much in use, various pages for local groups in all sort of
> >>languages, draft of future announcements, agendas and notes for various
> >>Ubuntu teams, etc, etc.
> > 
> > 
> > Yes indeed, the current attitude is for the single wiki to do as much as
> > possible. The conference in question originally had a separate wiki, as
> > did the Edubuntu project. Both these wikis have recently been merged to
> > the Ubuntu wiki.
> > 
> > As Daniel has done, I'd reiterate that the wiki is not just for
> > documentation, in fact it is probably not even its main function. The
> > wiki is a great place to community members to contribute tips and
> > guides, and for this reason there has been some great work done to try
> > and organise these efforts. However, it is also a place for people to
> > post ideas/specs and organise development.
> > 
> > Matt
> > 
> Okay, fair enough, if that's been the concensus thus far...

heh it was not so much consensus as a decision taken by the owner of
Ubuntu.

> Is it okay for me to rename pages? Being in a specific category doesn't 
> make the name available for other uses - So 
> UduSessionThirdPartyVendorSoftware still seems to me like a better name 
> than ThirdPartyVendorSoftware. Is it okay if i occassionally change wiki 
> page names?

No: renaming pages is the same as deleting them: the links break. Please
please please make sure you know the wiki software thoroughly before
making these sort of large changes.
(https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpContents ) One thing that can be done is to
arrange redirects or refreshes:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnProcessingInstructions

> It's just that I want to make a 'topic' page for installing Third Party 
> Vendor Software ...

Perhaps have another name for it? I don't think it's a good idea to
rename just one page from the UDU conference, you'd have to rename them
all, or put them into a subpage (udu/PageName). I made this suggestion
once but it wasn't accepted, maybe try and open discussion about it on
the mailing list? Include -devel in the discussion too.

Matt
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