Why all the empty pages?

[Duncan Lithgow]

Matthew East wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 17:59 +0200, Duncan Lithgow wrote:
> 
>>Matthew East wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 08:14 -0700, Daniel Robitaille wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, Duncan Lithgow wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>We have been keeping pages from past Ubuntu conferences for historical
>>>>>>reason, so that one fits in that category.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't understand - what is the wiki for? It can't be for absolutely everything, old conference notes? 
>>>>>It's tying up a very relevant name: "ThirdPartyVendorSoftware". Surely that wiki name shouldn't be used 
>>>>>by notes for an old conference...
>>>>>
>>>>>But really, it does beg the question of what the wiki is for and how it can be tidied up. Should there 
>>>>>be a seperate wikiweb dedicated to support/documentaion?
>>>>>
>>>>>Or should we just start renaming pages fomr the conference (for example) with a suitable prefix? Perhaps 
>>>>>such things be renamed to (for example) UduSessionThirdPartyVendorSoftware
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>the wiki is for all sort of things related to Ubuntu-world, not just the
>>>>documentation.  And for simplicity one wiki is easier than multiple
>>>>wikis.  So old, and future conferences documents are in there, and can
>>>>be very much in use, various pages for local groups in all sort of
>>>>languages, draft of future announcements, agendas and notes for various
>>>>Ubuntu teams, etc, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes indeed, the current attitude is for the single wiki to do as much as
>>>possible. The conference in question originally had a separate wiki, as
>>>did the Edubuntu project. Both these wikis have recently been merged to
>>>the Ubuntu wiki.
>>>
>>>As Daniel has done, I'd reiterate that the wiki is not just for
>>>documentation, in fact it is probably not even its main function. The
>>>wiki is a great place to community members to contribute tips and
>>>guides, and for this reason there has been some great work done to try
>>>and organise these efforts. However, it is also a place for people to
>>>post ideas/specs and organise development.
>>>
>>>Matt
>>>
>>
>>Okay, fair enough, if that's been the concensus thus far...
> 
> 
> heh it was not so much consensus as a decision taken by the owner of
> Ubuntu.
> 
> 
>>Is it okay for me to rename pages? Being in a specific category doesn't 
>>make the name available for other uses - So 
>>UduSessionThirdPartyVendorSoftware still seems to me like a better name 
>>than ThirdPartyVendorSoftware. Is it okay if i occassionally change wiki 
>>page names?
> 
> 
> No: renaming pages is the same as deleting them: the links break. 
Hmmm, this is a bit different to the last wiki i worked on 
(docs.indymedia.org). On that one a renaming kept all the links intact. 
So that's a dead end.

> Please
> please please make sure you know the wiki software thoroughly before
> making these sort of large changes.
I am very careful to preserve logic and content.

> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpContents ) One thing that can be done is to
> arrange redirects or refreshes:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnProcessingInstructions
Of course that's no help in freeing up the name for another use though
> 
> 
>>It's just that I want to make a 'topic' page for installing Third Party 
>>Vendor Software ...
> 
> 
> Perhaps have another name for it? 
That'll have to be the solution then
 > I don't think it's a good idea to
> rename just one page from the UDU conference, you'd have to rename them
> all, or put them into a subpage (udu/PageName). I made this suggestion
> once but it wasn't accepted, maybe try and open discussion about it on
> the mailing list? Include -devel in the discussion too.
Surely too late in this case, and I'm too 'green' to be heard. I hope 
you'll thump the table and point out how silly it is this way. We'll 
quickly run out of sensible names for pages if it's all on one web.

Okay, Duncan over and out on this subject