Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

[JMZ]

The vast majority of consumer boxes run Windows because of Microsoft's 
bundling deal with the manufacturers.  It's nothing really to do with 
Windows performance or ease of use (both of which are poor).  It's just 
that Mr./Ms. Everyday User doesn't really know much about computers, 
plugs the box in, and just uses what's presented to him/her.

"Just works" is a fantasy.  There's plenty of Windows programs which 
don't "just work" -- I spend my days bouncing from one Windows box to 
another, trying to iron out small bugs or teach panicky users simple 
tasks.  Most people can't set up a wireless router or configure a 
wireless printer, so Linux is a planet away. Linux-based distributions 
are still heavily reliant on the cli, and must remain so.  We shouldn't 
give up the robustness of bash work so that linux desktop environments 
may mimic a dysfunctional proprietary OS.

Jordan

On 10/05/2016 08:59 AM, Himanshu Shekhar wrote:
> Moreover, I think that Linux has come a long way and gained much 
> maturity on the server and enterprise side, thanks to parallel efforts 
> of "Canonical" and "RedHat" (and "Google").
> The sector which Linux has long way to go is Desktop / Laptop and 
> daily computing. Why do you think people prefer to use Windows or 
> MacOS? That's what needs to be improved in Linux. Standardized things, 
> at least for a distro. Lots of customization available, but it should 
> work out of the box. My dad would not like to go in depth about 
> synaptic and libinput stuff, or the free/proprietary stuff. Things 
> need to work like a charm, at least to the maximum extent we can provide.
>
> On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 6:23 PM Himanshu Shekhar 
> <himanshushekharb16 at gmail.com <mailto:himanshushekharb16 at gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
>
>     I appreciate Xen's first response stating how things go on in
>     Windows and Apple.
>     I know that snaps and containers are very different things and
>     function differently.
>
>     I was less concerned about snaps coming to Ubuntu, than two
>     standards, namely Snaps and Flatpak coming to Linux.
>     Both are good in their intentions but they would again lead to
>     confusion, they way we have today.
>     Snaps/Flatpaks are intended to make applications
>     distro-independent and unify Linux development. However, two
>     things for the same task would again cause confusion about which
>     to use / what will become the de-facto standard.
>     **REPEAT** This reminds me of the state of Upstart, which after
>     much development was replaced by systemd **REPEAT**
>
>     I repeat that my concerns are Snaps/Flatpak and Wayland/Mir, not
>     which of them is better. (I didn't start this thread to debate
>     which is better).
>     It is true that XServer is old and desktop/GUI computing has come
>     a long way than the client-server model.
>
>     I was eager to know how they are different, and how things in
>     future are planned to be, as the current state of development
>     branches in Linux make me feel like the chaotic scenario between
>     distributions, packaging and graphics server would continue for long.
>     -- 
>
>     Regards
>
>     Himanshu Shekhar
>
> -- 
>
> Regards
>
> Himanshu Shekhar
>
>
>

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