Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 82, Issue 14
Святослав Ищенко
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Sun Sep 22 10:48:53 UTC 2013
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> 1. Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their
> packages (Jordon Bedwell)
> 2. Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their
> packages (Benjamin Kerensa)
> 3. Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their
> packages (Felix Miata)
> 4. Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their
> packages (Benjamin Drung)
> 5. Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their
> packages (Prefix) (Gianfranco Costamagna)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:13:44 -0500
> From: Jordon Bedwell <jordon at envygeeks.com>
> To: Felix Miata <mrmazda at earthlink.net>
> Cc: ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their
> packages
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> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Felix Miata <mrmazda at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > Ubuntu was born less than 9 years ago. Of the most popular current
> distros,
> > it's among the youngest. The more mature Mozilla developers picked their
> > Linux distros before Ubuntu did more than a little maturing, 10-15 years
> > ago, so these more experienced developers are mostly RedHat->Fedora
> (heavily
> > Gnome/GTK), SuSE->openSUSE (more evenly KDE as Gnome),
> > Mandrake->Mandriva->Mageia (more strongly KDE than Gnome), Debian,
> Slackware
> > and maybe a few other more mature distro users. Most devs don't switch
> > distros willy nilly. Those Mozilla devs using *buntu are mostly younger
> and
> > less experienced, and more likely volunteers than subsidized or salaried
> to
> > work on Mozilla.
>
> I can' tell if you are serious or trolling right now.
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 11:53:38 -0700
> From: Benjamin Kerensa <bkerensa at ubuntu.com>
> To: PillowSky <prefix at pillowsky.org>
> Cc: Ubuntu Devel Discuss <ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their
> packages
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> A Mozillian maintains the Mozilla packaged in Ubuntu albeit in the case of
> Firefox it is slightly different then what upstream ships and has some
> Canonical add-ons baked in.
>
> Upstream does not track performance data from Ubuntu's Firefox because of
> the differences from upstream.
>
> On Sep 20, 2013 9:41 AM, "PillowSky" <prefix at pillowsky.org> wrote:
> >
> > Post on ubuntuforum
> > Link:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2175314
> > In the E-mail is just a summary.
> >
> > I find none of the maintainers are the software developers themselves.
> >
> > As for good developers like Mozilla, they have the ability to ensure the
> > quality. I think it's not a good idea to assume that their softwares
> > have bugs and need to be fixed by the Ubuntu Community. We work on
> > different fields and should trust each other.
> >
> > The new strategy has many additional points:
> > Encourage them to pay more attention to Ubuntu.
> > Always have 0-day support for new release. That's obvious!
> > Software developers will officially support Ubuntu.
> >
> > It is in urgent need to accept the new strategy because many software
> > like LibreOffice are not update in time. So it is time to change!
> >
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 16:39:12 -0400
> From: Felix Miata <mrmazda at earthlink.net>
> To: ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their
> packages
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> On 2013-09-20 13:13 (GMT-0500) Jordon Bedwell composed:
>
> > Felix Miata wrote:
>
> >> Ubuntu was born less than 9 years ago. Of the most popular current
> distros,
> >> it's among the youngest. The more mature Mozilla developers picked their
> >> Linux distros before Ubuntu did more than a little maturing, 10-15 years
> >> ago, so these more experienced developers are mostly RedHat->Fedora
> (heavily
> >> Gnome/GTK), SuSE->openSUSE (more evenly KDE as Gnome),
> >> Mandrake->Mandriva->Mageia (more strongly KDE than Gnome), Debian,
> Slackware
> >> and maybe a few other more mature distro users. Most devs don't switch
> >> distros willy nilly. Those Mozilla devs using *buntu are mostly younger
> and
> >> less experienced, and more likely volunteers than subsidized or
> salaried to
> >> work on Mozilla.
>
> > I can' tell if you are serious or trolling right now.
>
> The following baker's dozen current email addresses belong to core
> bugzilla.mozilla.org bugs classified as either Linux or All platforms,
> changed at any time prior to 2004, in the capacity of assignee, QA, or
> reporter:
>
> aaronlev at gmail com
> akkzilla at shallowsky com
> asa at mozilla org
> bugs at pettay fi
> bzbarsky at mit edu
> dbaron at dbaron org
> hsivonen at hsivonen fi
> kairo at kairo at
> mcow at well com
> mozilla at davidbienvenu org
> rbs at maths uq edu au
> roc at ocallahan org
> timeless at bemail org
>
> Does anyone recognize any of them as reporter, owner or QA on
> bugs.launchpad.net, or even as commenter there, or on any of the *buntu
> forums?
> --
> "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
> words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
>
> Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
>
> Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 23:34:39 +0200
> From: Benjamin Drung <bdrung at ubuntu.com>
> To: ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their
> packages
> Message-ID: <1379712879.3374.11.camel at deep-thought>
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> Am Freitag, den 20.09.2013, 14:06 -0400 schrieb Felix Miata:
> > On 2013-09-21 00:40 (GMT+0800) PillowSky composed:
> >
> > > Post on ubuntuforum
> > > Link:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2175314
> > > In the E-mail is just a summary.
> >
> > > I find none of the maintainers are the software developers themselves.
> >
> > Here's one reason why:
> >
> > Ubuntu was born less than 9 years ago. Of the most popular current
> distros,
> > it's among the youngest. The more mature Mozilla developers picked their
> > Linux distros before Ubuntu did more than a little maturing, 10-15 years
> ago,
> > so these more experienced developers are mostly RedHat->Fedora (heavily
> > Gnome/GTK), SuSE->openSUSE (more evenly KDE as Gnome),
> > Mandrake->Mandriva->Mageia (more strongly KDE than Gnome), Debian,
> Slackware
> > and maybe a few other more mature distro users. Most devs don't switch
> > distros willy nilly. Those Mozilla devs using *buntu are mostly younger
> and
> > less experienced, and more likely volunteers than subsidized or salaried
> to
> > work on Mozilla.
>
> You told us a lot assumptions. Do you have any statistics that support
> your theory?
>
> --
> Benjamin Drung
> Debian & Ubuntu Developer
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 07:21:30 +0100 (BST)
> From: Gianfranco Costamagna <costamagnagianfranco at yahoo.it>
> To: "ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com"
> <ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com>, "prefix at pillowsky.org"
> <prefix at pillowsky.org>
> Subject: Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their
> packages (Prefix)
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> >Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 23:38:51 +0800 (GMT+08:00)
> >From: Prefix <prefix at pillowsky.org>
> >To: ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com
> >Subject:? Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their
> >??? packages
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> >Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their packages!
> >
> >If we have a look at the maintainers of the packages in the Pool, we will
> find none of the maintainers are the software developers themselves.
> >
> >May be the purpose of this strategy is to ensure software quality,
> because all of the software are tested, modified(if needed), and rebuild by
> the Ubuntu Community.
> >
> >But, as for good developers like Mozilla, they have the ability to ensure
> the quality. I think it's not a good idea to assume that their softwares
> have bugs and need to be fixed by the Ubuntu Community. We are cooperated
> to bring the world a good OS, so we work on different fields and trust each
> other.
> >
> >What is more important is that, they know a lot more about their code
> than us. If a large project like Firefox contain bugs in their code and
> can't work well in Ubuntu, we have to waste a lot of time to learn the code
> tree, learn the algorithm in the program and finally find where the bug is,
> and fix it. But the Mozilla developers are familiar with the code and is
> possible to fix it within five minutes!This will happen if only Mozilla
> maintenance Firefox packages themselves, because they will develop on
> Ubuntu, build on Ubuntu, test on Ubuntu. Bugs will become less and less,
> and less time will be wasted on things just like reinventing the wheel!
> >
> >The new strategy has many additional good points:
> >Let the software provider maintenance packages themselves can encourage
> them to pay more attention to Ubuntu, make the software more fit with
> Ubuntu.
> >Always have 0-day support for new release. That's obvious!
> >Software developers will officially support Ubuntu, and may recommand
> users to choice Ubuntu.
> >
> >I think a lot of good developers have the ability to maintenance packages
> themselves. Mozilla, LibreOffice, Gnome, Apache, php, MySQL, phpMyAdmin,
> Gimp, Inkscape, Scribus, Filezilla, Boinc, WordPress, etc. They contribute
> a lot and make excellent software, and we should trust them.
> >
>
> I can talk only for Boinc, since I'm directly involved in it in debian and
> ubuntu (from autosync).
> I tried many times to report to upstream, we are in a very strict contact,
> and many times they fixed the problem (I backported sometimes patches).
> But many and many times I personally fix the issues, and I report the fix
> upstream.
> I'm not (yet) an upstream developer, but I think I have a good knowledge
> for fixing bugs in boinc package.
>
> And last, upstream isn't aware (AFAIK) of the debian packaging system, it
> will introduce a useless overhead in boinc handling.
>
> They release once or twice a year, maybe the improvements will come if
> they adopt on their machine the debian packages, this is why we are going
> to package the boinc-server-maker package too.
>
>
> Gianfranco
>
> >It is in urgent need to accept the new strategy because many software
> like LibreOffice are not update in time. This shows we do not have enough
> staff to maintenance the packages. So it is time to change!
> >
> >====================
> >Original arcitlce Link: http://blog.pillowsky.org
> >I am a student in zhejiang University, China.
> >May be my English is not so well
>
>
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