<div dir="ltr"> </div><div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">2013/9/21 <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss-request@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-devel-discuss-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list submissions to š š š š <a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit š š š š <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss</a> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to š š š š <a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-devel-discuss-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a> You can reach the person managing the list at š š š š <a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss-owner@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-devel-discuss-owner@lists.ubuntu.com</a> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-devel-discuss digest..." Today's Topics: š š1. Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their š š š packages (Jordon Bedwell) š š2. Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their š š š packages (Benjamin Kerensa) š š3. Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their š š š packages (Felix Miata) š š4. Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their š š š packages (Benjamin Drung) š š5. Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their š š š packages (Prefix) (Gianfranco Costamagna) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:13:44 -0500 From: Jordon Bedwell <<a href="mailto:jordon@envygeeks.com">jordon@envygeeks.com</a>> To: Felix Miata <<a href="mailto:mrmazda@earthlink.net">mrmazda@earthlink.net</a>> Cc: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Subject: Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their š š š š packages Message-ID: š š š š <<a href="mailto:CAM5XQnwdhPegP5w1xq5JSsgqgse_BuoN31D3VTEse%2BJz%2BQqAgw@mail.gmail.com">CAM5XQnwdhPegP5w1xq5JSsgqgse_BuoN31D3VTEse+Jz+QqAgw@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Felix Miata <<a href="mailto:mrmazda@earthlink.net">mrmazda@earthlink.net</a>> wrote: > Ubuntu was born less than 9 years ago. Of the most popular current distros, > it's among the youngest. The more mature Mozilla developers picked their > Linux distros before Ubuntu did more than a little maturing, 10-15 years > ago, so these more experienced developers are mostly RedHat->Fedora (heavily > Gnome/GTK), SuSE->openSUSE (more evenly KDE as Gnome), > Mandrake->Mandriva->Mageia (more strongly KDE than Gnome), Debian, Slackware > and maybe a few other more mature distro users. Most devs don't switch > distros willy nilly. Those Mozilla devs using *buntu are mostly younger and > less experienced, and more likely volunteers than subsidized or salaried to > work on Mozilla. I can' tell if you are serious or trolling right now. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 11:53:38 -0700 From: Benjamin Kerensa <<a href="mailto:bkerensa@ubuntu.com">bkerensa@ubuntu.com</a>> To: PillowSky <<a href="mailto:prefix@pillowsky.org">prefix@pillowsky.org</a>> Cc: Ubuntu Devel Discuss <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their š š š š packages Message-ID: š š š š <<a href="mailto:CAGOdq5nxi1tORbxNTVd12NMnjA-kjUWzkjgN2AoyefOARJvogA@mail.gmail.com">CAGOdq5nxi1tORbxNTVd12NMnjA-kjUWzkjgN2AoyefOARJvogA@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" A Mozillian maintains the Mozilla packaged in Ubuntu albeit in the case of Firefox it is slightly different then what upstream ships and has some Canonical add-ons baked in. Upstream does not track performance data from Ubuntu's Firefox because of the differences from upstream. On Sep 20, 2013 9:41 AM, "PillowSky" <<a href="mailto:prefix@pillowsky.org">prefix@pillowsky.org</a>> wrote: > > Post on ubuntuforum > Link:<a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2175314" target="_blank">http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2175314</a> > In the E-mail is just a summary. > > I find none of the maintainers are the software developers themselves. > > As for good developers like Mozilla, they have the ability to ensure the > quality. I think it's not a good idea to assume that their softwares > have bugs and need to be fixed by the Ubuntu Community. We work on > different fields and should trust each other. > > The new strategy has many additional points: > Encourage them to pay more attention to Ubuntu. > Always have 0-day support for new release. That's obvious! > Software developers will officially support Ubuntu. > > It is in urgent need to accept the new strategy because many software > like LibreOffice are not update in time. So it is time to change! > > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss</a> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <<a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/attachments/20130920/6704b009/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/attachments/20130920/6704b009/attachment-0001.html</a>> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 16:39:12 -0400 From: Felix Miata <<a href="mailto:mrmazda@earthlink.net">mrmazda@earthlink.net</a>> To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Subject: Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their š š š š packages Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:523CB270.5040004@earthlink.net">523CB270.5040004@earthlink.net</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 2013-09-20 13:13 (GMT-0500) Jordon Bedwell composed: > Felix Miata wrote: >> Ubuntu was born less than 9 years ago. Of the most popular current distros, >> it's among the youngest. The more mature Mozilla developers picked their >> Linux distros before Ubuntu did more than a little maturing, 10-15 years >> ago, so these more experienced developers are mostly RedHat->Fedora (heavily >> Gnome/GTK), SuSE->openSUSE (more evenly KDE as Gnome), >> Mandrake->Mandriva->Mageia (more strongly KDE than Gnome), Debian, Slackware >> and maybe a few other more mature distro users. Most devs don't switch >> distros willy nilly. Those Mozilla devs using *buntu are mostly younger and >> less experienced, and more likely volunteers than subsidized or salaried to >> work on Mozilla. > I can' tell if you are serious or trolling right now. The following baker's dozen current email addresses belong to core <a href="http://bugzilla.mozilla.org" target="_blank">bugzilla.mozilla.org</a> bugs classified as either Linux or All platforms, changed at any time prior to 2004, in the capacity of assignee, QA, or reporter: aaronlev at gmail com akkzilla at shallowsky com asa at mozilla org bugs at pettay fi bzbarsky at mit edu dbaron at dbaron org hsivonen at hsivonen fi kairo at kairo at mcow at well com mozilla at davidbienvenu org rbs at maths uq edu au roc at ocallahan org timeless at bemail org Does anyone recognize any of them as reporter, owner or QA on <a href="http://bugs.launchpad.net" target="_blank">bugs.launchpad.net</a>, or even as commenter there, or on any of the *buntu forums? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) š Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata š*** š<a href="http://fm.no-ip.com/" target="_blank">http://fm.no-ip.com/</a> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 23:34:39 +0200 From: Benjamin Drung <<a href="mailto:bdrung@ubuntu.com">bdrung@ubuntu.com</a>> To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Subject: Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their š š š š packages Message-ID: <1379712879.3374.11.camel@deep-thought> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Am Freitag, den 20.09.2013, 14:06 -0400 schrieb Felix Miata: > On 2013-09-21 00:40 (GMT+0800) PillowSky composed: > > > Post on ubuntuforum > > Link:<a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2175314" target="_blank">http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2175314</a> > > In the E-mail is just a summary. > > > I find none of the maintainers are the software developers themselves. > > Here's one reason why: > > Ubuntu was born less than 9 years ago. Of the most popular current distros, > it's among the youngest. The more mature Mozilla developers picked their > Linux distros before Ubuntu did more than a little maturing, 10-15 years ago, > so these more experienced developers are mostly RedHat->Fedora (heavily > Gnome/GTK), SuSE->openSUSE (more evenly KDE as Gnome), > Mandrake->Mandriva->Mageia (more strongly KDE than Gnome), Debian, Slackware > and maybe a few other more mature distro users. Most devs don't switch > distros willy nilly. Those Mozilla devs using *buntu are mostly younger and > less experienced, and more likely volunteers than subsidized or salaried to > work on Mozilla. You told us a lot assumptions. Do you have any statistics that support your theory? -- Benjamin Drung Debian & Ubuntu Developer ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 07:21:30 +0100 (BST) From: Gianfranco Costamagna <<a href="mailto:costamagnagianfranco@yahoo.it">costamagnagianfranco@yahoo.it</a>> To: "<a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a>" š š š š <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a>>, š"<a href="mailto:prefix@pillowsky.org">prefix@pillowsky.org</a>" š š š š <<a href="mailto:prefix@pillowsky.org">prefix@pillowsky.org</a>> Subject: Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their š š š š packages (Prefix) Message-ID: š š š š <<a href="mailto:1379744490.21725.YahooMailNeo@web172705.mail.ir2.yahoo.com">1379744490.21725.YahooMailNeo@web172705.mail.ir2.yahoo.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 23:38:51 +0800 (GMT+08:00) >From: Prefix <<a href="mailto:prefix@pillowsky.org">prefix@pillowsky.org</a>> >To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >Subject:? Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their >??? packages >Message-ID: >??? <AM*<a href="mailto:A6QDBAOxhB83IVHmo0aqM.1.1379691531529.Hmail.prefix@pillowsky.org">A6QDBAOxhB83IVHmo0aqM.1.1379691531529.Hmail.prefix@pillowsky.org</a>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: <<a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/attachments/20130920/5440da86/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/attachments/20130920/5440da86/attachment-0001.html</a>> >-------------- next part -------------- >Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their packages! > >If we have a look at the maintainers of the packages in the Pool, we will find none of the maintainers are the software developers themselves. > >May be the purpose of this strategy is to ensure software quality, because all of the software are tested, modified(if needed), and rebuild by the Ubuntu Community. > >But, as for good developers like Mozilla, they have the ability to ensure the quality. I think it's not a good idea to assume that their softwares have bugs and need to be fixed by the Ubuntu Community. We are cooperated to bring the world a good OS, so we work on different fields and trust each other. > >What is more important is that, they know a lot more about their code than us. If a large project like Firefox contain bugs in their code and can't work well in Ubuntu, we have to waste a lot of time to learn the code tree, learn the algorithm in the program and finally find where the bug is, and fix it. But the Mozilla developers are familiar with the code and is possible to fix it within five minutes!This will happen if only Mozilla maintenance Firefox packages themselves, because they will develop on Ubuntu, build on Ubuntu, test on Ubuntu. Bugs will become less and less, and less time will be wasted on things just like reinventing the wheel! > >The new strategy has many additional good points: >Let the software provider maintenance packages themselves can encourage them to pay more attention to Ubuntu, make the software more fit with Ubuntu. >Always have 0-day support for new release. That's obvious! >Software developers will officially support Ubuntu, and may recommand users to choice Ubuntu. > >I think a lot of good developers have the ability to maintenance packages themselves. Mozilla, LibreOffice, Gnome, Apache, php, MySQL, phpMyAdmin, Gimp, Inkscape, Scribus, Filezilla, Boinc, WordPress, etc. They contribute a lot and make excellent software, and we should trust them. > I can talk only for Boinc, since I'm directly involved in it in debian and ubuntu (from autosync). I tried many times to report to upstream, we are in a very strict contact, and many times they fixed the problem (I backported sometimes patches). But many and many times I personally fix the issues, and I report the fix upstream. I'm not (yet) an upstream developer, but I think I have a good knowledge for fixing bugs in boinc package. And last, upstream isn't aware (AFAIK) of the debian packaging system, it will introduce a useless overhead in boinc handling. They release once or twice a year, maybe the improvements will come if they adopt on their machine the debian packages, this is why we are going to package the boinc-server-maker package too. Gianfranco >It is in urgent need to accept the new strategy because many software like LibreOffice are not update in time. This shows we do not have enough staff to maintenance the packages. So it is time to change! > >==================== >Original arcitlce Link: <a href="http://blog.pillowsky.org" target="_blank">http://blog.pillowsky.org</a> >I am a student in zhejiang University, China. >May be my English is not so well ------------------------------ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss</a> End of Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 82, Issue 14 **************************************************** </blockquote></div> <div> </div>-- ó Ő×ÁÖĹÎÉĹÍ ó×ŃÔĎÓĚÁ× </div>